3/6 6 max isolate a LP

cjs · #1 10-03-2007, 07:36 PM

Tried to isolate a loose passive player but didn't like the way the hand went. comments welcome.

PokerStars 3/6 Omaha/8 (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (5.33 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.66 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: (3.66 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 3.66 BB

Buzz · #2 10-03-2007, 07:59 PM

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River: (3.66 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero folds.

[/ QUOTE ]CJS - I'd call one bet on the river. Chances are your two pairs, aces over queens with a king kicker is the best high hand.

Buzz

MattS · #3 10-03-2007, 08:11 PM

I would bet the turn and call a potential bet on the river. But you have to know that I am not a Limit O8 player and my advice could be not the best.

cjs · #4 10-03-2007, 08:49 PM

Do you think it is worth a call on the river with such a small pot? I'm calling 1 bb to win less than 2 bbs with no lock for high.

MattS · #5 10-03-2007, 09:11 PM

If you have been betting the turn you will call 1 BB to win 2.5 BB at the river. That gives you surely enough pot odds to justify a call.

Even as played I guess there is no big difference in the long run between a call or fold at the river.

liveplaya · #6 10-03-2007, 09:46 PM

Sorry I'm a newbie but a better line would be to bet or fold on the flop???
I don't think 2 pair is good here..... But for just 1 bet I would look him up here for future hands

RobNottsUk · #7 10-04-2007, 09:48 AM

Yep, the OP is being inconsistent.

If the player is loose-passive, are a pair of K's without a Lo draw going to be good, when that player leads out into you on a flop?

Once you call, and check behind on the turn, you're inducing a bluff. If your hand isn't worth a call on the river, then your flop call was poor. You have A's up Q's and a K kicker, and you hope the loose player has a countfeited hand.

Pre-flop, you have position, top set and nut flush potential for Hi, with an emergency Lo. But is it a good hand for the situation?

OK, it'd be OK HU v BB, but is it really worth a raise against a loose early pos limper?

If UTG was tight-passive and going to fold frequently post-flop (having limped with a 1 way hand Hi or Lo), I can buy it, but a Fish?

cjs · #8 10-04-2007, 11:50 AM

I think you are correct the flop was a bad call. The LP leading actually surprised me. I actually thought he was betting the Q with a low. When he checked the turn I froze. By the river I thought I totally butchered the hand and didn't feel risking the bb was worth the return. I used all my time on the river as I really thought I was folding the high winner.

RobNottsUk · #9 10-05-2007, 05:52 AM

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I think you are correct the flop was a bad call. The LP leading actually surprised me. I actually thought he was betting the Q with a low. When he checked the turn I froze.

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So if he had top pair + Lo, wasn't he a favourite? But do passive players actually do that? Or do they check/call until they have "made a hand"?

To me it looks he bet a set, check-ed a full house hoping to check/raise you, and then bet the river having given a free card to your probable Lo draw.

Tried top pair + 2nd nut Lo against your 'best' hand. I'm giving the player hands with an Ace and a Lo card, because noone else entered the pot, making it more likely the player had that holding.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3764744
pokenum -o8 ad 6d kh kc - ac 3c qc 9d -- qd 6h 4s
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 820 enumerated boards containing 4s Qd 6h
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
Kc Ad 6d Kh 161 510 310 0 0 96 48 0.424
Ac Qc 3c 9d 266 310 510 0 472 0 48 0.576

You're calling to protect previous investment, you'ld not gain anything by going on the attack because there's no chance that player will fold.

But he's betting... Let's give him a trashy looking hand

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3764749
pokenum -o8 ad 6d kh kc - ac 8c 4c 4d -- qd 6h 4s
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 820 enumerated boards containing 4s Qd 6h
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
Kc Ad 6d Kh 75 129 691 0 0 0 144 0.168
Ac 8c 4c 4d 557 691 129 0 376 0 144 0.832

Now if he'll bet a set then you're in a hole.

Pre-flop your edge against a filthy hand was

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3764752
pokenum -mc 500000 -o8 ad 6d kh kc - ac 8c 4c 4d
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 500000 sampled boards
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
Kc Ad 6d Kh 201804 343208 156792 0 46243 106096 11130 0.589
Ac 8c 4c 4d 108054 156792 343208 0 200627 34998 11130 0.411

The problem is, even then he wasn't likely to be making a mistake. You got the blinds out, and he has his odds despite a very favourable pre-flop situation.