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Old 10-03-2007, 04:46 AM
urbanati urbanati is offline
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Default Turning a combo draw OOP...

Villain is 28/14/3.2.
We have a lot of history, he likes to push me off my hands a lot. He likes to call a lot in position and probably floating a lot. Our weak tight hero needs a plan...
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
5 players
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Stack sizes:
urbanati: $184.00
CO: $190.00
Button: $200.80
SB: $198.00
BB: $234.50

Pre-flop: (5 players) urbanati is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">urbanati raises to $7</font>, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($17, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">urbanati bets $12</font>, CO calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($41, 2 players)
urbanati...
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Old 10-03-2007, 05:55 AM
vimpan vimpan is offline
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Default Re: Turning a combo draw OOP...

Iīd prob. just lead again.
I realize that we destroy his floats and miss value from those bluffs but if check raising here in this small pot it gets really ugly if villian shoves.
The check raise I would like if it was an CRAI.
C/C isnīt that great either imo, since our riverplay gets stupid by it, if we hit (wich is the only time we can win by this line) he is likely to check behind.
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Old 10-03-2007, 06:02 AM
keikiwai keikiwai is offline
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Default Re: Turning a combo draw OOP...

check call imo

you're gonna get raised a lot i would think w/ your history.... how are you gonna have a 7 from utg?
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Old 10-03-2007, 07:28 AM
Jay Riall Jay Riall is offline
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Default Re: Turning a combo draw OOP...

67s, 78s, 79s, A7s, 75s, 77 all in my range lol. I still c/c though.
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Old 10-03-2007, 07:39 AM
Daddy Warbucks Daddy Warbucks is offline
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Default Re: Turning a combo draw OOP...

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check call imo

you're gonna get raised a lot i would think w/ your history.... how are you gonna have a 7 from utg?

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I'm not sure if this is the point you're making or not, but i'm more worried about being raised by a 7 than CO thinking i have one.
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Old 10-03-2007, 07:44 AM
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Default Re: Turning a combo draw OOP...

Check-raise to 3x his bet, call a push (but really we expect him to fold to the c/r since he's been playing back at you so much).

Against a villain like this, I'd be taking this line with a wide range of hands including naked flush draws and overpairs/sets. This will make people a little more wary about playing back at you. It is high variance but an excellent move for metagame, especially if you play tight most of the time.
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Old 10-03-2007, 07:52 AM
Daddy Warbucks Daddy Warbucks is offline
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Default Re: Turning a combo draw OOP...

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Check-raise to 3x his bet, call a push (but really we expect him to fold to the c/r since he's been playing back at you so much).

Against a villain like this, I'd be taking this line with a wide range of hands including naked flush draws and overpairs/sets. This will make people a little more wary about playing back at you. It is high variance but an excellent move for metagame, especially if you play tight most of the time.

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I think the only hand that really can push here is a 7, which we're 70/30 against, and worse if he's got hearts too (Jay's UTG opening range sounds about right for a CO call for a 28vpip)
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Old 10-03-2007, 07:52 AM
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Default Re: Turning a combo draw OOP...

If we check call what's our plan for the river (both missed and hit)?

I'd seriously consider check shoving if this guy be floating a lot.
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Old 10-03-2007, 07:59 AM
Jay Riall Jay Riall is offline
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Default Re: Turning a combo draw OOP...

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(Jay's UTG opening range sounds about right for a CO call for a 28vpip)

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No I meant I would be raising all those hands if I was hero in the hand.
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Old 10-03-2007, 08:01 AM
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Default Re: Turning a combo draw OOP...

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Check-raise to 3x his bet, call a push (but really we expect him to fold to the c/r since he's been playing back at you so much).

Against a villain like this, I'd be taking this line with a wide range of hands including naked flush draws and overpairs/sets. This will make people a little more wary about playing back at you. It is high variance but an excellent move for metagame, especially if you play tight most of the time.

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I think the only hand that really can push here is a 7, which we're 70/30 against, and worse if he's got hearts too (Jay's UTG opening range sounds about right for a CO call for a 28vpip)

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A hand with a 7 in it is such a small part of his range that I'm not even worrying about that. We have a good number of outs against anything he's holding, and a ton of fold equity vs. his range.
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