Interesting mixed drawing hand

Unstable James · #1 09-30-2007, 01:43 PM

The table in general is a pretty typical 3/6 game for my casino. At the time this hand was played, it was running 6-9 players/flop, very little pre-flop raising. Most of the players seem to be there just to have a good time. Lots of table talk and laughing.

BB is a big-time calling station. Seems to stay in with any pair to showdown, and to the river with any hand he thinks might pair.

CO hasn't been at the table all that long, but hasn't been getting out of line. Seems to be a solid player.

MP3 is definately the big donor at the table. Seems to have little idea of how to play. Frequently drawing dead. I've played with him on several other occasions, and his betting patterns just don't make any sense.

Live 3.00/6.00 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero calls, 3 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 10[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, MP3 Raises, CO calls, Button folds, BB calls, UTG folds, Hero ?

I probably usually play too tight, but this game was playing so passively that even I thought this was an easy call pre-flop. I'll post more of this hand in a bit after I get feedback on the pre-flop and flop action.

Fantam · #2 09-30-2007, 03:02 PM

I dont mind your pf call, given your table description.

You have a lot of outs on the flop. Your only real concern is whether someone else has the A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or perhaps QJ if a non [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 falls.

The flop raiser is not a strong player and the calling station and the CO have already called.

It seems unlikely that a flop 3-bet from you will fold anyone. So, I think that I would 3-bet the flop for value and see what happens.

Smurph64 · #3 09-30-2007, 04:10 PM

got to call here on the flop.

Malifous · #4 09-30-2007, 04:21 PM

I would call too the flop and reevaluate the turn for above reasons.

milesdyson · #5 09-30-2007, 04:55 PM

call flop. if the 7d or Jd is out you only have 6 flush outs. if the Ad is out you have none.

bozlax · #6 09-30-2007, 05:01 PM

Easiest 3-bomb evar.

bozlax · #7 09-30-2007, 05:06 PM

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call flop. if the 7d or Jd is out you only have 6 flush outs. if the Ad is out you have none.

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C'mon, Miles. The flop raiser's range includes everything in the deck, and then some. One caller may be solid, the other is calling down with just about anything. Raising isn't even that high variance, given this cast of donkeys, but it's definitely for value...remember, you have some OC outs in addition to the straight/flush outs.

Unstable James · #8 09-30-2007, 05:27 PM

Live 3.00/6.00 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero calls, 3 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 10[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, MP3 Raises, CO calls, Button folds, BB calls, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (7 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero ?

Quite a turn card...

Xylocain · #9 09-30-2007, 05:35 PM

how about a passive line? c/c, c/c UI is that just retarded?

If it is, what about c/c turn, b/c river?

milesdyson · #10 09-30-2007, 05:55 PM

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call flop. if the 7d or Jd is out you only have 6 flush outs. if the Ad is out you have none.

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C'mon, Miles. The flop raiser's range includes everything in the deck, and then some. One caller may be solid, the other is calling down with just about anything. Raising isn't even that high variance, given this cast of donkeys, but it's definitely for value...remember, you have some OC outs in addition to the straight/flush outs.

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one of these guys is gonna have the Ad a decent amount. i'd guess around 20% of the time. there's also the chance someone is slowplaying a flush or straight. if neither of those are true, someone can still have the 7d or Jd. i mean, with a raise and two coldcallers, one of these things is bound to be true. i'm sure you'll have a small edge overall, but i think there is a lot of value in seeing what happens when we check to MP3 on the turn. he bets most of his flop raising range on the turn, and if the board pairs or the Jd/7d falls and it's two to us on the turn, we can get out having only invested two on the flop.