I need some info on Absolute poker...

[DRUNK_TURK]

I lost some money there, I would like to take matters in to my own hands since AB "security" isn't gonna do anything. I will be doing a personal investigation. I need some information before I get started.....

1. Where is AB poker headquaters or office?
2. Where can I find Mark Seif?
3. I heard that one of the god account users is 2 + 2 user on other forums. Anyone else have any info on this?


Thats is all for now, I will keep you all updated on this matter.

TURK [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

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read freakonomics thread, note post # 43

[DRUNK_TURK]

43.September 21st,
2007
12:31 am This will become more of a scandal once it is confirmed that one of these “superaccounts” belongs to part owner/paid spokesperson/pro player Mark Seif. One of the accounts in question referenced a poor finish in the 03 Main Event, where Mark finished in the lowest .5%

— Posted by Steve

OKAY

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...art=12&vc=1

okay, dan druff's post:


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I've played a whole lot on AP this year, especially over the summer.

Oddly enough, I missed out on most of the Greycat/Supercard/etc. games due to sheer coincidences of timing (basically I'd be out or sleeping when he'd show up). Still, I played about 10 sessions with the guy, including one heads up, and noticed exactly what everyone else is noticing:

1) His hand selection pre-flop is so bad (especially 9 handed) that he should be losing a fortune against the top-flight players he's been facing. Instead, he's been winning big almost every session.

2) It is very rare that he will fold if you miss the flop.

3) When you are holding a huge hand, he folds often.

Basically, yes, he plays like someone who can see your cards. But that's nothing new to anyone on this thread. I've played against legitimate players who have run so well that I'd swear they could see my hand if I didn't know better. We've also all seen examples of huge donks running up amazing short-term streaks that we never thought were possible -- including odd plays that leave us scratching our heads.

So what's the difference here? Perhaps nothing, perhaps something. But the evidence we've seen so far, some anecdotal, others more damning, makes this worth another look.

Before I go on, I can confirm that Greycat, Supercard, and the other suspect accounts posted here ARE indeed the same person. This isn't an assumption or a guess. It's a fact. PM me if you want me to explain this part further.

So we have this Greycat person playing on multiple accounts -- sometimes chipdumping between them -- and playing the highest games Absolute Poker has to offer. He plays both limit and no limit, yet top regular players from both games report the same suspicious experience with him.

He has won a ton of money (does anyone have the exact figures?), and rarely seems to lose.

If he is cheating, I think I know how he's doing it.

Long before Greycat showed up, there was some concern that AP had a "superuser" account, created by its software developers. This account, created strictly for testing purposes, would be able to see all cards of all players in all games. As a software programmer by trade, I can tell you that such an account would be very helpful in the development and testing process for a complicated piece of software like AP. I referred to there being "some concern" that such an account exists. I say this because I have some circumstantial evidence (which I can't share in public) that this is true, but I don't have any proof. Furthermore, prior to this Greycat situation, I had no reason to believe that this account ever fell into the wrong hands.

But what if it did fall into the wrong hands? Perhaps someone could have hacked it. Perhaps a rogue ex-developer of the software could have passed some info along to an accomplice. Perhaps a lot of things.

The fact is that, if Greycat did get access to such an account, he'd pretty much be doing exactly what he's doing now. Yes, maybe some subtlety would have done him better (so as to avoid this suspicion), but history is full of criminals whose otherwise brilliant capers were foiled by just a bit too much greed.

It's time to stop guessing and get some answers here. Obviously AP will never admit their system was compromised, even if it were true. That would pretty much be the equivalent of poker room suicide. We need to put together a concrete plan of action to either prove this guy is a fraud, or prove to ourselves that we're a bunch of paranoid fools. Either way, we need to prove something. In the next post, I'll give my suggestions on what I feel we should do next.


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1. Where is AB poker headquaters or office?
2. Where can I find Mark Seif?
3. I heard that one of the god account users is 2 + 2 user on other forums. Anyone else have any info on this?


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1. The Ancienne Belgique is the leading concert venue located in the heart of Brussels.
2. Mark Seif at the 2005 World Series of Poker.
3. Does not compute.

[MiltonFriedman]

What would you do if you got it ? (How do we know we ain't going to be part of anything with the word "toetag" involved ?)

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http://www.internettexasholdem.com/phpbb...as-vt34808.html

[MiltonFriedman]

Good post. If you recall PopularPoker, the same sort of "backdoor" as described here was reportedly in their software.

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Good post. If you recall PopularPoker, the same sort of "backdoor" as described here was reportedly in their software.

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I'm no expert on the subject but I've been suspicious for a long time this kind of [censored] was going on, and not just at Absolute.

I'm just sorry I wasn't online when all this broke, before the parties involved in breaking it were evidently told to clam up by their superiors. This is HUGE and I can't find much about it on here of late.