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Old 09-28-2007, 12:01 AM
h_ven h_ven is offline
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Default Top and middle pair facing turn push

Villian was an unknown and turned out to be a 75/25/.85 after only 28 hands.

Stack sizes:
Hero(button): $100
Villian(SB): $93.35

Preflop:
1 fold, 1 call, Hero raises to $5 w/ K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], villian calls, 2 folds.

Flop($12): K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Villian bets $1, hero raises to $7, villian calls.

Turn($26): K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Villain pushes for $81.35 and is all-in, hero...

I have a total of $12 invested in this pot. Could hero have a pair and the A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]? Easy fold or what?
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Old 09-28-2007, 12:03 AM
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Default Re: Top and middle pair facing turn push

I fold, he could have a flush or some other weird combo thats beating you, even if you are ahead now he prolly has a lot of outs against you.
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Old 09-28-2007, 12:03 AM
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Default Re: Top and middle pair facing turn push

More on the flop. Turn is teh suck. Against an unknown you're probably behind.
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Old 09-28-2007, 12:05 AM
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Default Re: Top and middle pair facing turn push

Id fold it. Id also make it $13 on the flop though. He could be protecting a worse hand, but the minbet/call flop line with be a draw most times.
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Old 09-28-2007, 12:12 AM
Casper05 Casper05 is offline
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Default Re: Top and middle pair facing turn push

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More on the flop. Turn is teh suck. Against anybody you're always behind.

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Old 09-28-2007, 12:18 AM
Nielsio Nielsio is offline
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Default Re: Top and middle pair facing turn push

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More on the flop. Turn is teh suck. Against anybody you're always behind.

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No, against 75/25 maniacs we probably have to call because they are looking for any opportunity to bluff.
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Old 09-28-2007, 12:20 AM
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Default Re: Top and middle pair facing turn push

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More on the flop. Turn is teh suck. Against anybody you're always behind.

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No, against 75/25 maniacs we probably have to call because they are looking for any opportunity to bluff.

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It's only through 28 hands FWIW.
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Old 09-28-2007, 12:22 AM
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Default Re: Top and middle pair facing turn push

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More on the flop. Turn is teh suck. Against anybody you're always behind.

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No, against 75/25 maniacs we probably have to call because they are looking for any opportunity to bluff.

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It's only through 28 hands FWIW.

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I wasn't talking about your hand.
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Old 09-28-2007, 12:25 AM
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Default Re: Top and middle pair facing turn push

ABSOLUTELY bet more on the flop. I really think this min bet is a draw or very weak made hand 95% of the time and I potting it regardless of my cards without reads. As played, I fold turn. There will be a lot better spots than this to take villains stack. Just hope no one else gets it first.
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