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Old 09-25-2007, 09:41 AM
Wolfram Wolfram is offline
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Default Preflop spot w/JJ facing 3 bets.

Here's the 411:

UTG (32/21/2) opens, 2 folds, CO (27/16/2.4) 3bets, you are holding JJ in the SB. What do you do and why?

How about if you're in the BB and SB folds?
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Old 09-25-2007, 09:44 AM
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Default Re: Preflop spot w/JJ facing 3 bets.

I cap because I have the forth best starting hand there is.
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Old 09-25-2007, 09:46 AM
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Default Re: Preflop spot w/JJ facing 3 bets.

Cap because you want BB and possibly even UTG out. UTG should be folding his worse of suited hands like KJ and AT.

Cap because you have an equity edge.

Call to see what UTG does. Since its 3-way his action will be a pretty good determination of his range.


I cap.

If you are BB its closer to a call but I still cap.

You might not be pushing a huge edge but if you only cap QQ+ and AK here you become extremely easy to play against in those spots. Adding JJ, TT and AQ to your capping range improves the EV of capping AA, KK and QQ here.
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Old 09-25-2007, 10:04 AM
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Default Re: Preflop spot w/JJ facing 3 bets.

Somebody told me that Stox (in his book) recommends folding JJ in the SB to a 3-bet. Is Stox wrong, or am I misinformed?
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Old 09-25-2007, 10:13 AM
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Default Re: Preflop spot w/JJ facing 3 bets.

In full ring, this is usually a fold. He might've alluding to that, since the book touches on some PF aspects of FR play.

I can see a fold in 6max, if a supertight rock 3 bets a UTG raiser, but otherwise, I can't imagine folding this.
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Old 09-25-2007, 10:53 AM
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Default Re: Preflop spot w/JJ facing 3 bets.

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Somebody told me that Stox (in his book) recommends folding JJ in the SB to a 3-bet. Is Stox wrong, or am I misinformed?

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I think you are misinformed - have "somebody" tell us where.
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Old 09-25-2007, 11:05 AM
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Default Re: Preflop spot w/JJ facing 3 bets.

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Somebody told me that Stox (in his book) recommends folding JJ in the SB to a 3-bet. Is Stox wrong, or am I misinformed?

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I think you are misinformed - have "somebody" tell us where.

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Yikes! I guess I should have just asked you to begin with. Anyways I folded because of this bad info, and of course the board reads A-K-J-J-T. Lol resultaments.
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Old 09-25-2007, 11:49 AM
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Default Re: Preflop spot w/JJ facing 3 bets.

I can't check it up but isn't Ed "tight is right" Miller recommending to play AK and QQ+ against a raise and a reraise from SB in tight games? Maybe that's where you got it from?
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Old 09-25-2007, 02:48 PM
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Default Re: Preflop spot w/JJ facing 3 bets.

utg is not tight and most players w/ co stats will open up a little.

you crush utg's range and are pretty good vs. co's range.

utg: top 17-18%
co: 88 AT KQ
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