river fold?

[Dave Mac]

6 handed 6 max on ftp
i have A9o utg and raise, a tag-ish (34/16/3.25 over 195 hands)player 3 bets me in the co, i call.

flop is AhQs8s - i have no spades
I check, he bets i cr he 3 balls, i call.

turn is Jd
i cc.

river is Ts
I donk, he insta-raises, i fold ???

also any comments on other parts of the hand would are welcome,
dave

also his river agro is a healthy 4.0

[gehrig]

i would just cc. he's pretty unlikely to have less than aces up and any aces up is prob value betting. c/r/fold might be better i dunno.

if u dont have the as i think u can just fold to the raise ur basically hoping he doesnt realize that AQ isnt strong anymore. if u have the as its a little closer and prob doesnt matter much

[veganmav]

i think what limit is relevant... ppl play different at different limits

I don't like the flop cr, it lets better hands 3bet, and worse hands fold, and it sucks for you to play after this point, and for him it allows him to play perfectly (unless you are really balancing this with pure bluffs like 66 or something, but this is kinda silly i think)

turn is fine,

river is a fold as played...


but i really think you need a different line from the flop cus now anything you do on turn/riv basically sucks

[dangerfish]

fold river.. I don't mind the way you played it.

[Dave Mac]

this was 30-60,
generally i agree with you about the flop play, and actually as i was clicking the flop i was clicking call and then i changed my mind at the last minute. but i am not convenced that a cr here is incorrect, this is bc on this specific board i don't think there is any hand excpet A9-AJ i would just call with. further with this baord texture i thought that i would get pair off by a lot of hands. finally, and this may be anouther issue i was not necessarly paying off ui.
in light of all this do you still think the flop is real bad? and if so what line would you take. and for the record i think that if the flop was A82 or whatever that was dry i would prolly have gone c-c, c-c, c-r or something else similar - ie i see the merit of the other lines with a weak ace.
dave

[Dave Mac]

he is agro, but i felt that at least sometimes he would check aces up or better, anything but the K or a flush on the river. further, i really didn't think that he could raise the river with less than the K, so if i bet/fold i get 1 bet in everytime i am ahead and only lose 1 when i am behind, but if i cc i lose 1 everytime i am behind but don't necessarly win 1 bet when i am winning.

the same thing applies to a cr although to a lesser extent bc. i don't think that many people can fold to the cr.

i dunno this was just my first reaction.
dave

[Crusher19]

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fold river.. I don't mind the way you played it.

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