NL25 - JJ preflop vs shortstack?!

ABCofPKR · #1 09-21-2007, 01:47 AM

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Hero ($28.45)
SB ($34.95)
BB ($36.15)
UTG ($14.50)
MP ($12.80)
CO ($43.65)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, CO raises to $1.25, Hero raises to $3.75, 2 folds, UTG raises to $6.25, CO folds, Hero calls $2.50.

Flop: ($14.10) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $8.25 (All-In), Hero calls $8.25.

Turn: ($0) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($0) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $30.60

Lego05 · #2 09-21-2007, 01:52 AM

Standard.

You are getting 4.64 to 1. Which means that even if he turns over his cards too early and you see he has AA you still call.

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Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 81.148% 80.94% 00.20% 49896864 125190.00 { AA }
Hand 1: 18.852% 18.65% 00.20% 11495700 125190.00 { JJ }

kroeliewoelie · #3 09-21-2007, 04:42 AM

Is the flop call standard, Lego??

Lego05 · #4 09-21-2007, 04:48 AM

Oh geez. How did I miss that? I thought his pre-flop reraise was all-in.

Ok in light of this new information fold pre-flop. He limped UTG and then there's a raise and a reraise and he puts in another raise. I am very convinced he has KK/AA. And we do not have odds to set mine the flop. (My original saying call even if we know he has AA was assuming he was all-in and we were going to see 5 cards.) Now if you call you're going to just about every time face a bet on the flop like the one that we actually see happen. You can't call that flop bet. Fold it pre-flop.

So in conclusion fold pre-flop to UTG's raise.

MrWooster · #5 09-21-2007, 05:08 AM

Lego is correct - once UTG has 4-bet - even with the dead money in the pot from CO - you can't call hoping to flop a set - you either have to fold or shove, and unless he stacks off with a VERY wide range, its a fold.

ABCofPKR · #6 09-21-2007, 11:04 PM

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Oh geez. How did I miss that? I thought his pre-flop reraise was all-in.

Ok in light of this new information fold pre-flop. He limped UTG and then there's a raise and a reraise and he puts in another raise. I am very convinced he has KK/AA. And we do not have odds to set mine the flop. (My original saying call even if we know he has AA was assuming he was all-in and we were going to see 5 cards.) Now if you call you're going to just about every time face a bet on the flop like the one that we actually see happen. You can't call that flop bet. Fold it pre-flop.

So in conclusion fold pre-flop to UTG's raise.

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ty LEGO [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] hate folding hands at NL25 :P but im learning LOL just starting again after some moths... played a bit at NL10 to warm up and I was not folding this kind of hands [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]