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09-19-2007, 05:43 PM
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Stars $55 - AK early getting 3-bet
I have been finding myself in this type of situation a lot recently (getting 3-bet w/ AK with a lot of chips still behind). Do we really have much FE if we 4-bet? And isn't calling and c-f'ing missed flops pretty weak? What other options do we have?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Hero (t2890) MP3 (t7285) CO (t3275) Button (t2725) SB (t2145) BB (t4280) UTG (t7110) UTG+1 (t3215) MP1 (t2420) Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t150</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t400</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls t350, Hero... 
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#2
09-19-2007, 06:09 PM
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Re: Stars $55 - AK early getting 3-bet
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I have been finding myself in this type of situation a lot recently (getting 3-bet w/ AK with a lot of chips still behind). Do we really have much FE if we 4-bet? And isn't calling and c-f'ing missed flops pretty weak? What other options do we have? 4-betting/calling > folding PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Hero (t2890) MP3 (t7285) CO (t3275) Button (t2725) SB (t2145) BB (t4280) UTG (t7110) UTG+1 (t3215) MP1 (t2420) Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t150</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t400</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls t350, Hero... [/ QUOTE ] I think that u definitely have FE if u decide to 4-bet (your raise is from MP, so his 3-bet range might be wider), the prob is that 4-betting might fold PP's like 99;TT, which is good, but it might also fold AQ. If u think AQ is in his 3-betting range, then calling might be better. Against an unkown, i usually 4-bet AI here, esp when BB cold calls. 4-betting/calling > folding
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#3
09-19-2007, 06:26 PM
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Re: Stars $55 - AK early getting 3-bet
I think BB ALWAYS has a monster here. JJ+.
Call and check fold missed flops is fine.
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#4
09-19-2007, 06:33 PM
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Re: Stars $55 - AK early getting 3-bet
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I think BB ALWAYS has a monster here. JJ+. Call and check fold missed flops is fine. [/ QUOTE ] If that's your read (and i don't agree, unless u have a specific read on BB)...then why call/check-fold??? You're scared he has JJ-AA and u check-fold when an A or K flops? Are u calling to flop a flush?
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#5
09-19-2007, 06:43 PM
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Re: Stars $55 - AK early getting 3-bet
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[ QUOTE ] I think BB ALWAYS has a monster here. JJ+. Call and check fold missed flops is fine. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think JJ is a monster against two players, I would not be calling with JJ in the bb. I'm pushing, I'm pushing JJ+ from the bb. and I'm playing AKs if pushed at pre and raising a raiser allin this early in tournament,
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#6
09-19-2007, 06:47 PM
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Re: Stars $55 - AK early getting 3-bet
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If that's your read (and i don't agree, unless u have a specific read on BB)...then why call/check-fold??? You're scared he has JJ-AA and u check-fold when an A or K flops? Are u calling to flop a flush? [/ QUOTE ] I think what he meant was to c/f non A|K flops. As to the BB, I think he's range is indeed JJ+, maybe TT,AK (but not likely). I think you can call here getting about 4:1 with the suggested flop plan.
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#7
09-19-2007, 06:53 PM
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Re: Stars $55 - AK early getting 3-bet
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[ QUOTE ] If that's your read (and i don't agree, unless u have a specific read on BB)...then why call/check-fold??? You're scared he has JJ-AA and u check-fold when an A or K flops? Are u calling to flop a flush? [/ QUOTE ] I think what he meant was to c/f non A|K flops. As to the BB, I think he's range is indeed JJ+, maybe TT,AK (but not likely). I think you can call here getting about 4:1 with the suggested flop plan. [/ QUOTE ] Calling with a read that BB has JJ-AA has serious reverse implied odds...u win a small pot when an A or K flops (and they have JJ;QQ...and u lose a big pot when an A or K flops when they have KK;AA.) 2/3 of the time u fold when no A or K flops...
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#8
09-19-2007, 06:59 PM
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Re: Stars $55 - AK early getting 3-bet
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Calling with a read that BB has JJ-AA has serious reverse implied odds...u win a small pot when an A or K flops (and they have JJ;QQ...and u lose a big pot when an A or K flops when they have KK;AA.) 2/3 of the time u fold when no A or K flops... [/ QUOTE ] Yes, you are right, I didn't think it through. Fold then...
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#9
09-19-2007, 07:00 PM
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Re: Stars $55 - AK early getting 3-bet
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If that's your read (and i don't agree, unless u have a specific read on BB)...then why call/check-fold??? You're scared he has JJ-AA and u check-fold when an A or K flops? Are u calling to flop a flush? [/ QUOTE ] I think what he meant was to c/f non A|K flops. As to the BB, I think he's range is indeed JJ+, maybe TT,AK (but not likely). I think you can call here getting about 4:1 with the suggested flop plan. [/ QUOTE ] Calling with a read that BB has JJ-AA has serious reverse implied odds...u win a small pot when an A or K flops (and they have JJ;QQ...and u lose a big pot when an A or K flops when they have KK;AA.) 2/3 of the time u fold when no A or K flops... [/ QUOTE ] QFT on the reverse implied odds, but I also agree with your earlier post that his 3-betting range could very well be a lot wider than others are stating as we raised from MP. We also have plenty of FE on our push. 4betting AI>calling>>>>>>>folding
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#10
09-19-2007, 10:07 PM
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Re: Stars $55 - AK early getting 3-bet
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If that's your read (and i don't agree, unless u have a specific read on BB)...then why call/check-fold??? You're scared he has JJ-AA and u check-fold when an A or K flops? Are u calling to flop a flush? [/ QUOTE ] I think what he meant was to c/f non A|K flops. As to the BB, I think he's range is indeed JJ+, maybe TT,AK (but not likely). I think you can call here getting about 4:1 with the suggested flop plan. [/ QUOTE ] Calling with a read that BB has JJ-AA has serious reverse implied odds...u win a small pot when an A or K flops (and they have JJ;QQ...and u lose a big pot when an A or K flops when they have KK;AA.) 2/3 of the time u fold when no A or K flops... [/ QUOTE ] QFT on the reverse implied odds, but I also agree with your earlier post that his 3-betting range could very well be a lot wider than others are stating as we raised from MP. We also have plenty of FE on our push. 4betting AI>calling>>>>>>>folding [/ QUOTE ] Yeah the reverse implied odds are brutal here if you call. I agree to 4 bet.
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