line of attack

GHAND · #1 03-01-2006, 11:59 PM

Assumption on villian is that his $10 raise usually means high PP. What would be your line of attacke OOP here with this nice flop AQ sooted.

1)Check/call?
2)Check/Raise, Push?
2)Just Push?

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MP ($247.40)
Button ($37.20)
SB ($145.70)
Hero ($621.20)
UTG ($274.90)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises to $10, 2 folds, Hero calls $8.

Flop: ($21) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $21...

Bukem_ · #2 03-02-2006, 12:03 AM

bet, 3bet allin.

DJ Sensei · #3 03-02-2006, 01:05 AM

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bet, 3bet allin.

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Definitely the best line with this strong a draw and his stack the size it is.

jacknine · #4 03-02-2006, 05:23 AM

I check-raise on the flop and make it $80 to go.
If Villain calls, the pot-size will be perfect to push the turn, regardless what comes off.

Kilillan · #5 03-02-2006, 05:33 AM

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I check-raise on the flop and make it $80 to go.
If Villain calls, the pot-size will be perfect to push the turn, regardless what comes off.

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Still, it leaves you in a awkward situation when you miss the turn card. And if a card like an ace hits, he can get away from his pair.
Check-raise all in seems like the best move, albeit transparent

Sciolist · #6 03-02-2006, 05:57 AM

Open bet for thepot, and be happy to get all your chips in if he reraises. You can even call if he pushes to your bet.

Why does $10 mean big PP?

jacknine · #7 03-02-2006, 06:18 AM

I agree you need to try and get all your chips in with this hand, but I think the timing is crucial.
That is why I don't like leading pot on the flop: say Villain flat calls you (which I find more likely than a push), now on the turn there is ~$60 in the pot. I don't think pushing ~$200 into that pot is the way to go. I don't like check-raising allin on the flop like someone else suggested either for the same reason. Villain can easily get away from a lot of hands here. I don't want him to fold yet - I want him to put more money in.
If he calls my checkraise, I push the turn and don't mind if he folds here.

Sciolist · #8 03-02-2006, 06:21 AM

Checkraising on the flop makes your hand a lot more obvious though. I really do think that check raising is a massively over used ploy in NL games.

jacknine · #9 03-02-2006, 06:35 AM

I think this spot is perfect for a c/r to get the pot size big enough to push.
I'm not too big a fan of c/r-ing either, but if you do it every now and then with different holdings, I think it doesn't make your hand transparent at all.

Kilillan · #10 03-02-2006, 06:57 AM

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I agree you need to try and get all your chips in with this hand, but I think the timing is crucial.
That is why I don't like leading pot on the flop: say Villain flat calls you (which I find more likely than a push), now on the turn there is ~$60 in the pot. I don't think pushing ~$200 into that pot is the way to go. I don't like check-raising allin on the flop like someone else suggested either for the same reason. Villain can easily get away from a lot of hands here. I don't want him to fold yet - I want him to put more money in.
If he calls my checkraise, I push the turn and don't mind if he folds here.

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Well you don't really want a call since you're basically a coinflip against any hand other than a set.