Simple $109f preflop spot

[Clayton]

PokerStars Game #loldonkaments: Tournament #60482936, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/09/12 - 19:33:01 (ET)
Table '60482936 59' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: deLuxy (3135 in chips)
Seat 2: cnew27 (4495 in chips)
Seat 3: CBass1724 (610 in chips)
Seat 4: mcc3991 (2865 in chips)
Seat 5: trainwrecks (2845 in chips)
Seat 6: tilterino (5160 in chips)
Seat 7: l[Ja_Cks]l (2455 in chips)
Seat 8: LOSTinLONDON (4300 in chips)
Seat 9: Mallemuk (1125 in chips)
LOSTinLONDON: posts small blind 25
Mallemuk: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cnew27 [Xx Xx]
deLuxy: raises 50 to 100
cnew27: calls 100
CBass1724: raises 510 to 610 and is all-in
mcc3991: folds
trainwrecks: folds
tilterino: folds
l[Ja_Cks]l: folds
LOSTinLONDON: folds
Mallemuk: folds
deLuxy: raises 510 to 1120
cnew27:

In this spot against the minraise I typically flat a whole bunch of my range, for obvious reasons i think.

Now with a shortie shover and a min-reraise by the UTG player, what hand range are you shoving? What range do you put UTG on?

All I could do was quickly check the guys pokerdb, which was like 20k in earnings, 24k in buyins. interpret that as you may.

[erc007]

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PokerStars Game #loldonkaments: Tournament #60482936, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/09/12 - 19:33:01 (ET)
Table '60482936 59' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: deLuxy (3135 in chips)
Seat 2: cnew27 (4495 in chips)
Seat 3: CBass1724 (610 in chips)
Seat 4: mcc3991 (2865 in chips)
Seat 5: trainwrecks (2845 in chips)
Seat 6: tilterino (5160 in chips)
Seat 7: l[Ja_Cks]l (2455 in chips)
Seat 8: LOSTinLONDON (4300 in chips)
Seat 9: Mallemuk (1125 in chips)
LOSTinLONDON: posts small blind 25
Mallemuk: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cnew27 [Xx Xx]
deLuxy: raises 50 to 100
cnew27: calls 100
CBass1724: raises 510 to 610 and is all-in
mcc3991: folds
trainwrecks: folds
tilterino: folds
l[Ja_Cks]l: folds
LOSTinLONDON: folds
Mallemuk: folds
deLuxy: raises 510 to 1120
cnew27:

In this spot against the minraise I typically flat a whole bunch of my range, for obvious reasons i think.

Now with a shortie shover and a min-reraise by the UTG player, what hand range are you shoving? What range do you put UTG on?

All I could do was quickly check the guys pokerdb, which was like 20k in earnings, 24k in buyins. interpret that as you may.

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Kinda tough to interpret actions of UTG. IMO his two minraises indicate one of two holdings:

I think that he knows that you have to fold/shove when it gets back to you...

1. A med PP (66-99.) Pre he's raising 2xBB trying to see a flop, figuring that it's tough for anyone to RR. When it's back to him he's trying to isolate without committing himself if you shove.

2. A big PP (KK-AA.) Not sure why anyone would min-raise these hands pre, but when it's back to him, he's baiting u to shove/denying you the implied odds to call for set value.

I think that hands like AK;AQ;TT-QQ have to shove to isolate, and hands like Axs;22-55;JTs will fold with u still behind.

I'm not sure if i would shove any of your range that u flatcalled the 1st minraise with. The more i think about this, he looks strong.

[Clayton]

very good analysis erc, anyone else have stuff to add?

[ASPoker8]

Sick tight

I'm folding JJ for sure. I think we have to fold AK?

QQ+ maybe

[ZJ123]

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Sick tight

I'm folding JJ for sure. I think we have to fold AK?

QQ+ maybe

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thats too tight yo

[ZJ123]

i think i shove JJ + and AK+

[registrar]

I really don't see that min-raise iso raise UTG has to be all that strong so much of the time. I'd call TT+, AQs+ here.

WTF is villain going to do with any of his range here? He's not going to fold 77. So, I don't think the iso-raise alters his range much, unless he's minning stuff like JTs UTG.

[Clayton]

i shoved JJ, he had QQ

i won (obv)