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Old 09-11-2007, 10:33 AM
fooz fooz is offline
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Default 3 betting KQ from BB and nittish TAG stealer calls

Villain is 22/12/2.2 after beacoup de hands. I think his steal % was between 20 and 25.

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $422
CO: $932.60
Button: $394
SB: $244.12
fooz: $366

Pre-flop: (5 players) fooz is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $12</font>, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">fooz raises to $52</font>, Button calls, SB folds.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($116, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">fooz bets $75</font>, Button calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($266, 2 players)
fooz checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $240</font>, fooz folds.


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Do you play this any differently? Are my bets/raises too large? (had just lost previous hand and not had a chance to reload)
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Old 09-11-2007, 10:38 AM
Albert Moulton Albert Moulton is offline
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Default Re: 3 betting KQ from BB and nittish TAG stealer calls

I'd fold preflop rather than reraise. 22/12 seems pretty tight even if he is raising on the button.
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Old 09-11-2007, 10:46 AM
winningfish winningfish is offline
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Default Re: 3 betting KQ from BB and nittish TAG stealer calls

PF is OK. Bet bigger on the flop($90) and definitely bet the turn say $200+. His range is AK KQ AQ QJs JTs 99 88 77 maybe TT 66.. you have most of these beat and you're repping a bigger hand OOP.
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Old 09-11-2007, 10:51 AM
Pieto Pieto is offline
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Default Re: 3 betting KQ from BB and nittish TAG stealer calls

I like 3betting here, QK is still good vs his openingrange.
I would lead out on turn 196ish. As played shove
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Old 09-11-2007, 11:12 AM
fooz fooz is offline
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Default Re: 3 betting KQ from BB and nittish TAG stealer calls

Wow. I'm really very surprised at the responses. I don't see him calling this flop with anything I beat. He's just too nitty.
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Old 09-11-2007, 11:19 AM
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Default Re: 3 betting KQ from BB and nittish TAG stealer calls

i think the pf rr is big, especially if were not continuing when we hit top pair. Id much rather do this with suited connectors given the way you played this hand since i think KQ has too much value against someone with a 25% att steal.
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Old 09-11-2007, 11:19 AM
Praetor Praetor is offline
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Default Re: 3 betting KQ from BB and nittish TAG stealer calls

i shove turn but as played I probably fold.
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Old 09-11-2007, 12:26 PM
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Default Re: 3 betting KQ from BB and nittish TAG stealer calls

ttgirl, I find your comments very interesting.

The reason we typically raise more than the size of the pot (with 100BB stacks) is to cutoff the implied odds of players hoping to flop a set (pushing them out of the 5/10 rule range). You said the pf rr is big if we're not continuing when we hit top pair. Perhaps if I'm against a tighter more predictable player, it would be better to simply reraise to the size of the pot, since his hand is so readable and therefore his implied odds are already low.

I don't fully understand your second statement. You'd rather reraise larger with a suited connector? Is this to disguise your hand? You said KQ has too much value against such an opponent. I would think by that logic, we would raise more if the hand has more value.
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Old 09-11-2007, 12:30 PM
Laetus Laetus is offline
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Default Re: 3 betting KQ from BB and nittish TAG stealer calls

I fold pre. If I would re-raise this nit, I would be more inclined to do it w/ a hand like 97s.
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