advice please

[lead24]

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $48.00
BB: $56.50
UTG: $75.00
MP: $59.25
CO: $50.00
Hero (BTN): $50.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $4.00</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $2.25

Flop: ($8.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $8.00</font>, Hero calls $8.00

Turn: ($24.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $15.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises all-in to $36.00</font>, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $21.00 returned to SB

Pot Size: $54.50 ($2.70 Rake)

[DaN_05]

Reads?

3-bet PF, make it $14 or so. You opened on BTN so SB's re-raise range is gonna be larger.

[jackrich00]

I agree his range here is def gonna be large so 4 betting is the way here. Apart from that on the flop WHERE WAS THE RAISE!!! Def need to be raising on this flop the way you played it. All round bad IMO apart from the fold

[lead24]

If we put that 4th bet and he RR we have to fold without anyread correct

[jackrich00]

emmm u lost $27 in this hand, had you 4 bet and he went all in you would have lost $15 at most.....

[lead24]

Thanks for the advice guys

[members_only]

4-betting is horrible here imo. You're just giving value to better hands and folding out weaker ones

[huhwhatyousay?]

Preflop is super-standard. I'd check behind on the turn; I don't see what hands you are getting value from.

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Preflop is super-standard. I'd check behind on the turn; I don't see what hands you are getting value from.

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I agree, 4betting QQ preflo here is terrible IMO. check behind turn, and try to see a cheap showdown.

[Craggoo]

Theres several things that i want to say/ask here.
1) Do you have a good idea how villain plays? Is he only re-raising big pairs and smooth calling AK-AJ type of hands?
2) How often does he 3 bet? He may just feel that you're making a play to steal the blinds. If he views you as this a 4bet is in order but you have to fold to a 5 bet/all-in.

Given that you didnt re-raise to make his range more clear I think you must raise the flop to find out where you stand. Realistically, one of the few hands we had crushed (JJ) is now ahead but we don't know he has that. It could be just AJ. As played, the only hand that we were ahead of with that flop (AJ) just drew out on us thus its a clear fold in my mind.