FT Second Chance

eBo · #1 09-04-2007, 04:04 AM

I'm curious to know how others would play this hand. This is the final table of the second chance on Stars. Chipleader/Villain has been playing very LAG. He's been raising garbage, and playing his stack.

After he minraised me, I knew that he is likely doing this with air, so I decided to flat call and give him rope to hang himself. Should I have reraised?

Is there any way I can get away from this hand?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15000 (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB (t611603)
BB (t281619)
Hero (t565328)
MP (t249146)
CO (t216355)
Button (t1417949)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises to t42000, 2 folds, Button raises to t80200, 2 folds, Hero calls t38200.

Flop: (t163400) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets t45000, Hero raises to t120000, Button calls t75000.

Turn: (t403400) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t364378 (All-In), Button calls t364378.

River: (t1132156) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t1132156

0evg0 · #2 09-04-2007, 04:24 AM

We know he's minraising a UTG raise with air?

eBo · #3 09-04-2007, 04:29 AM

I knew there was a high probability he was doing this with any 2. He was raising/reraising with garbage for awhile.

LearnedfromTV · #4 09-04-2007, 04:41 AM

where's the part where you give him rope to hang himself, the flop checkraise or the turn shove?

This looks fine and is probably +EV (I mean, you have QQ vs a crazy bluffy guy, anything you do is +EV). But it can't be the most ev line, cEV or $EV. There's no way you can say he only has air (a lot of air, fine, but even literally any 2 includes hands that beat you and hands that you beat but that are valuebetting), and based on description he can have JJ, AT, whatever, so I guess you have a value bet, but you'd probably be better off actually giving him rope to hang himself those times he does have air. Versus a range of {KK+,TT, bluff, JJ, AT, other pairs} from a bluffy guy w/ chiplead, there's not much that you beat that calls your bet(s) but doesn't bet, and you lose a lot of value by taking away his ability to bluff.

Small flop bet screws things up a little, so I see why you checkraised; an overcard makes the turn/river harder to play and you'd like to get value from smaller pairs/T. But you make it harder for him to bluff; now he has to float you, you have to check,... if you checkcall, check his turn range includes way more bluffs. Also, given the stack situation, your $ev is significantly greater with a lower variance line - you should be fine with him letting you get to showdown for less than your stack, which is unlikely but at least possible given the flop bet size.

Bond18 · #5 09-04-2007, 06:01 AM

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We know he's minraising a UTG raise with air?

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It's like you read my mind.

I mean i've seen some guys who are clearly abusing their stack in my day, and i've seen guys 3 bet an utg raiser light, but min reraising the utg raiser with air i haven't seen before. Ever.

registrar · #6 09-04-2007, 06:39 AM

But you still call pf, flop and then stack off, right?

Bakes · #7 09-04-2007, 01:22 PM

Call pf and check three times.

oldschool043 · #8 09-04-2007, 05:56 PM

has he usually been minraising when he 3 bets?

eBo · #9 09-04-2007, 06:44 PM

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has he usually been minraising when he 3 bets?

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No. Sometimes he 3bet big, sometimes he minraised.

Villain was not a typical donk who only minraises w/AA, KK. In this situation he had 65o.

I realize that I did not play the hand in the most +EV way, but am I donk for stacking off here? Is there any way I can get away from this hand?

oldschool043 · #10 09-04-2007, 07:15 PM

i'm never folding this at any point in the hand and stack off as played, but i probly 4 bet preflop.