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Old 09-01-2007, 05:21 PM
Wolfram Wolfram is offline
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Default QQ in BB facing 4-bet. Fold or Felt?

This is always a troublesome spot for me.

Villain is 16.6/14.2/5.4 after 416 hands. I don't have specific notes on him. I have not been 3-betting him much this session.

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $157.86
BB: $114.76
UTG: $98.88
CO: $221.76
BTN: $104.95

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $3.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $11.00</font>, BB folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $33.50</font>, Hero folds

Pot Size: $45.50
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Old 09-01-2007, 05:23 PM
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Default Re: QQ in BB facing 4-bet. Fold or Felt?

Fold the first time, shove the second time.
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Old 09-01-2007, 05:26 PM
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Default Re: QQ in BB facing 4-bet. Fold or Felt?

Your 3-bet is too small.
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Old 09-01-2007, 05:36 PM
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Default Re: QQ in BB facing 4-bet. Fold or Felt?

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Your 3-bet is too small.

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I would have said $12, what are you thinking is right?
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Old 09-01-2007, 05:37 PM
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Default Re: QQ in BB facing 4-bet. Fold or Felt?

$12 is fine
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Old 09-01-2007, 05:37 PM
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Default Re: QQ in BB facing 4-bet. Fold or Felt?

i go for $14 or so PF. agree w/ fold the first time, shove the 2nd.
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Old 09-01-2007, 05:41 PM
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Default Re: QQ in BB facing 4-bet. Fold or Felt?

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i go for $14 or so PF. agree w/ fold the first time, shove the 2nd.

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14 is too high imo. You want someone to overplay AJ, A10, 8s, 9s etc and you are making it too easy for them to fold those hands.
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Old 09-01-2007, 05:43 PM
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Default Re: QQ in BB facing 4-bet. Fold or Felt?

Yeah, 12 is fine, 14 is overkill.
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Old 09-01-2007, 05:45 PM
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Default Re: QQ in BB facing 4-bet. Fold or Felt?

Villain's steal % and your own steal defense is so important here.
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Old 09-01-2007, 06:06 PM
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Default Re: QQ in BB facing 4-bet. Fold or Felt?

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Fold the first time, shove the second time.

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???? could you explain why?
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