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Old 08-31-2007, 07:58 AM
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Default AA utg vs button 3bet and cold caller

Button is good aggressive TAG, cold caller is fishy 35/9/1.5 over 140 hands. Button has not been 3betting me light, but I made a tricky play earlier and we went all in and we both had AA.

Question is: Is it ever correct to just 4bet to 21$ or so, considering that button might put me on AK, since the previous AA hand where I just 4bet shove, or is it just to dangerous with the cold caller still in the hand ? I put buttons 3bet range on TT+, AK maybe AQs, SB has TT-QQ IMO (but you never know, since these types have never heard of implied odds)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

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SB ($29.40)
BB ($50.90)
Hero ($63.70)
MP ($92.15)
Button ($59.35)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $6.5</font>, Button calls $6.50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $63.7</font>
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Old 08-31-2007, 08:04 AM
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Default Re: AA utg vs button 3bet and cold caller

WTF? Deffinately just 4-bet to 23. Shoving this might fold out a whole bunch of hands that will pay you off on the flop.
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Old 08-31-2007, 08:31 AM
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Default Re: AA utg vs button 3bet and cold caller

depends what you do with other hands. in isolation it doesn't make much difference, but the smaller 4bet is probably better.
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Old 08-31-2007, 08:35 AM
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Default Re: AA utg vs button 3bet and cold caller

Yeah make it $21 and push any flop if called, obviously this is good if anyone calls but they might not, cold caller is likely to call raise to $21 much more than all-in imo.

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Old 08-31-2007, 08:38 AM
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Default Re: AA utg vs button 3bet and cold caller

If button is any good it's unlikely he'll call your reraise without KK or QQ, maybe JJ/AK, so I don't know if you really should worry about that. I'd just pop it up like 23 as scallop said and see what happens. No point in shoving so much in.
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Old 08-31-2007, 09:12 AM
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Default Re: AA utg vs button 3bet and cold caller

I always fall into the trap that once I get 3 bet pre by a donk that they will always just call a 4 bet push but everytime I do it everyone folds. Even from the perspective of a donk its hard for them to call with anything other than KK+ Maybe AK IMO
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Old 08-31-2007, 09:55 AM
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Default Re: AA utg vs button 3bet and cold caller

I donīt think it matters much. But I have seen people call my 4bets and then fold on the flop when they didnīt like the flop. A 4bet looks super strong no matter what, unless you have some history or villain is a donk. I shove most of the time for ~100 bb and I get calls from all kinds of stuff.
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Old 08-31-2007, 11:24 AM
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Default Re: AA utg vs button 3bet and cold caller

Yeah on this hand i had JJ haha.

Considered calling you but you hadn't been forcing me to "stay honest" or anything like that. So i just let it go.

I'd probably fold to a 4bet here from you anyway since you seemed to be running pretty tight that session.

BTW that button was awesomely terrible haha.
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