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Old 08-28-2007, 08:06 PM
aislephive aislephive is offline
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Default Wierd river spot on interesting board vs big river bet

Not much in the way of reads but villain just sat down and Pahud says he plays around 36/11 over 1k hands (datamined).

Thoughts on turn check? I was really torn between betting and checking. I hate to bet/fold this because I think I leave my self open to be bluff raised on the turn when I double barrell this card, but it's hard to say if this player is capable of such a play. Anyways I took the safe route and checked behind, and he fires pretty big on the river. Wtf could he have?

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $290.69
BB: $400.00
UTG: $416.70
Hero (MP): $416.00
CO: $716.50
BTN: $1,589.02

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $4.00, <font color="red">Hero raises to $20.00</font>, 4 folds, UTG calls $16.00

Flop: ($46) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $36.00</font>, UTG calls $36.00

Turn: ($118) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($118) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $99.00</font>, Hero ???
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Old 08-28-2007, 08:12 PM
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Default Re: Wierd river spot on interesting board vs big river bet

I fold. If the J were black, minraise.
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Old 08-28-2007, 08:12 PM
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Default Re: Wierd river spot on interesting board vs big river bet

I like turn check here, planning to fold this river.

If villan calls a lot of flops and is semi aggressive on later streets I can see a call, but I doubt this opponent is.
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Old 08-28-2007, 08:14 PM
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Default Re: Wierd river spot on interesting board vs big river bet

i'd fire turn value from pr + fds and tens in case the 4th [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] hits

as played i think it's a pretty easy fold. he's slowplayed a flush/trips and now realises theres no money in the pot.
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Old 08-28-2007, 08:23 PM
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Default Re: Wierd river spot on interesting board vs big river bet

fold
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Old 08-28-2007, 08:42 PM
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Default Re: Wierd river spot on interesting board vs big river bet

Looks like he didn't want to scare you away with a $100 bet [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

anyways, I think this is definitely a fold.
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Old 08-30-2007, 01:36 AM
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Default Re: Wierd river spot on interesting board vs big river bet

I agree that this is a fold, one I typically make. Something felt really wierd about his bet though and I looked him up. He had Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and MHIG. Some serious range merging is all I can think of.
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Old 08-30-2007, 02:37 AM
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Default Re: Wierd river spot on interesting board vs big river bet

well once you check behind turn, lots of his floated pairs are gonna turn themselves into bluffs on the river.
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Old 08-30-2007, 04:39 AM
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Default Re: Wierd river spot on interesting board vs big river bet

I thought this was a pretty easy call vs a 36/11. What am i missing?
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Old 08-30-2007, 04:49 AM
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Default Re: Wierd river spot on interesting board vs big river bet

Well for one not a lot of hands make sense for him to peel the flop with then want to fire the river like this. I would never in a million years expect him to turn his specific hand into a bluff, although I think small pairs are definite possibilites. Some donks will always try to showdown their pairs regardless if it's obvious they're beat or not, some will be aggressive and realize that they're usually behind and bluff. I think most donks fall in that first category, and I definitely had no specific read on this player, so I think I normally would fold and I think it would be the right decision regardless of results here against a relative unknown.
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