standard KK hand

Kimpan · #1 08-30-2007, 09:07 AM

baluga here right?

PartyPoker $100 NL Hold'em (6 handed) HandRecorder v0.9b

Stacks & Stats
MP ($134.65) (47/17/1.81/26) (53h)
Hero ($99.50)

Preflop: Hero is BU with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
1 folds, MP raises to $2, 1 folds, Hero raises to $6.50, 2 folds, MP calls $4.50.

Flop: ($14.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $10, MP calls $10.

Turn: ($34.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $21.50, MP raises to $43, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $99.

cfb1739 · #2 08-30-2007, 09:11 AM

You have already put half your stack in the pot. I think you have to go w/ the hand.

Also, is this heads up?

Kimpan · #3 08-30-2007, 09:13 AM

I have put $38 in the pot and I don't think I'm committed at all.. It's 6handed.

cfb1739 · #4 08-30-2007, 09:19 AM

The final pot is $99 and you started w/ a stack of $99. How is that not half? But it's irrelevant if you don't feel committed.

It sounds like you are looking for a reason to fold. I don't think folding or continuing is hugely more ev than the other. If you want to fold, that is fine too, imo.

Alot of these spots where you have tough decisions are tough precisely because your options are close in terms of ev.

Kimpan · #5 08-30-2007, 09:22 AM

well the final pot is obviously counting his raise which I didn't call.. (99-21.5)/2=38.75

cfb1739 · #6 08-30-2007, 09:25 AM

I dunno man. Flip a coin. I think a good made hand would for sure raise the flop because of all the draws. But people do crazy [censored].

Actually, he check called that flop. I don't think I would ever fold this. Check calling the flop w/ a better hand than KK makes no [censored] sense.

oli1980 · #7 08-30-2007, 09:28 AM

standard. Turn is a blank and this is never anything that you have 25% Equity against. (Except JJ and QQ but.....)

napkins · #8 08-30-2007, 09:34 AM

any reads on villain?

my default here is to just stack off because of the fact that its a reraised pot. i'd expect to see AT/JJ/QQ/JT etc enough to make it profitable. also if villain had 88-tt i'd think he'd make a move on the flop since its so drawy.

EDIT: thought it was 50NL for some reason. i'd fold it

oli1980 · #9 08-30-2007, 09:35 AM

I would say it is not technically a reraised pot when he minraises... that's not a raise to me.

Demogorgon · #10 08-30-2007, 09:39 AM

I don't know, you need 31% EQ and if we give him a tight range such as AA,QQ-88,QJs,JTs,QJo,JTo,T9o,98o then that is pretty much exactly what you have. It's pretty hard to put him on a good range when he C/C's and then C/R turn because we expect him to raise a bunch of the hands on the flop.
He does look very strong however, I think the way he played this a lot of the time he's gonna have 88-TT or QJ here but it's just so god damn draw heavy and you have invested 38 out of 98 dollars already so..I don't know, go either way.