NL200 J9s Flops top two on a soaked ass board

[Kowalski]

What it do

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $90.35
BB: $59.65
Hero (UTG): $194.00
CO: $171.50
BTN: $197.10

Reads: <font color="blue"> CO is 51/12/1.93 over 1030
31% wts</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $7.00</font>, CO calls $7.00, 2 folds, BB calls $5.00

Flop: ($22) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $18.00</font>, CO calls $18.00, BB folds

Turn: ($58) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $31.00</font>, CO calls $31.00

River: ($120) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets all-in for $115.50</font>, Hero?

[Fat Nicky]

yuck!!!! so much missed, i'd talk myself into calling.

[rapidacid]

Wasn't this the point of your check?

[Novles]

just shove the river yourself. as played, easy call, so many missed draws

[Hosehound25]

I would probably call here. I guess since he's a 51/12 he could have some junk like J7s here, but thats about it I think. He's gotta put in a raise somewhere there with a flopped straight. Any timing tells?

[barryc83]

jesus h, bet more on the turn.

[jlocdog]

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jesus h, bet more on the turn.

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Wtf difference does it make if dude shoves a PSB bet in on river anyways? In fact this turn bet is a good size if you had a hand in which you wanted to bluff river with as well as induce a shove (giving off false FE tells...).

[Fat Nicky]

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Wtf difference does it make if dude shoves a PSB bet in on river anyways?

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a bigger turn bet = more value if he calls w/a worse hand. and when we bet the turn, we don't know he's gonna shove the river.

[barryc83]

yes because false tells are so useful against donks who play 50% of all hands. turn bet is really bad IMO. id call river after checking, but id still probably value shove it against this guy.

[pepper123]

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jesus h, bet more on the turn.

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Wtf difference does it make if dude shoves a PSB bet in on river anyways? In fact this turn bet is a good size if you had a hand in which you wanted to bluff river with as well as induce a shove (giving off false FE tells...).

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this logic... it's not so good