Hand i saw at casino last night:

[jlauzon]

Player A: ($450) King Jack offsuit
Player B: ($180) Ace Queen offsuit
Player C: ($300) King[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Flop: Ace[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Queen[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Ten[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Player A bets, B moves all in. Player C calls and moves all in with the last of his stack on the nut flush draw. PLayer A calls.

Turn: Queen[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
River: blank

If you guys had been the player with the flush draw, would you have called? Or should he have just folded then and there?

[thedustbustr]

you need to know the preflop action, the positions with more accuracy than you gave, the size of the bets. C probably should have folded but we need to know more info.

you seem a beginner, read lots of micro stakes nl (even if you are playing 1/2 live)

[kekec37]

Even in worst case scenario (AA and KJ) he has almost enough equity (28%) to call if player A doesnt fold. In a live game you can expect action from worse hands, so I would definitely call.

[thedustbustr]

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if player A doesnt fold

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he's folding almost all the time, w/o further info live donks' ranges are {*}

[jlauzon]

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you need to know the preflop action, the positions with more accuracy than you gave, the size of the bets. C probably should have folded but we need to know more info.

you seem a beginner, read lots of micro stakes nl (even if you are playing 1/2 live)

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Player B is very aggresive. He made a standard preflop raise and those 2 called. Flop hit all 3 of them, and after player A bet out, player B did his usual aggresive all in play he did many times that night.

edit: I dont remember who had the button or not, i think it WAS player C with it though. I know A was first to act on the flop.

I am somewhat of a beginner, been paying for about 3 months now. Im a winner at live $1/2 and i play micro online trying to find flaws in my game.

The whole point of this post was to get some insight on if the call and reraise all in by the flush draw player was a good move.

[thedustbustr]

what is a standard preflop raise in this game? what were the bet sizes on the flop? if player A bets out for $15 into a $15 dollar pot and player B shoves for $180, player C can't call with his flush draw.

if player A bets out for $179 into a $60 dollar pot and player B shoves for $180, player C has a fairly easy call if you do the pot odds math.

the true scenario is somewhere in between. so his call was probably marginally bad or neutral, maybe barely good.

check out pokerstove, read the stickies in ssnl and micronl to learn how to use it

http://www.google.com/search?q=pokerstov...lient=firefox-a

[kekec37]

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if player A doesnt fold

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he's folding almost all the time, w/o further info live donks' ranges are {*}

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Depends largely how much he has to call. If there is a lot of money already in the pot, he is likely to call.
For example, if there was 100 preflop, A bets 80, B raises to 180, C calls, I cant see him folding for 100$ in 540$ pot. However, we dont know the pot size [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
OP, give us more info next time [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

[jlauzon]

Im sorry i dont have all the facts. Its a live hand otherwise i would have posted everything properly.

Preflop raises are average of $12. A raised first, then B reraised to 36. C and A called. A then bet $50 on the flop.

[FishSticks]

The real question is why would you call with K5s when there's a raise and a reraise in front of you lol

jlauzon -

Take dustbustr's advice. Play with poker stuff and read the micro stakes stickies and forums.

Here's some stove results:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

48,762 games 0.005 secs 9,752,400 games/sec

Board: Ac Qc Td
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.373% 41.75% 03.62% 20358 1767.00 { KJo }
Hand 1: 18.445% 18.27% 00.17% 8910 84.00 { AQo }
Hand 2: 36.182% 32.56% 03.62% 15876 1767.00 { Kc5c }


Looks like the Kc5c wins more than one time in three, meaning he needs to be getting 2:1 on his money to proceed. I'm sure he's getting a way better price, so once he saw a flop he kind of had to get all in.

His preflop play was AWFUL, though.