Is this a call maybe?

[Dave D]

FTP Daily double 12 left.

I'm thinking it's maybe a call only because it's gonna encourage the shorty in, which means it's gonna be a protected pot and such. Also the OR is pretty short, and the other guy gives some good implied odds.

I'd fold this usually, but it just got me thinking.

Full Tilt Poker Game #3387224379: Daily Double - B (25349198), Table 138 - 5000/10000 Ante 1000 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:57:38 ET - 2007/08/28
Seat 2: JACKACE6969 (32,276)
Seat 4: Delray612 (340,540)
Seat 5: vegasbnd1 (108,330)
Seat 6: Darby21 (131,001)
Seat 8: bigsmurf222 (432,992)
Seat 9: dogling (330,866)
JACKACE6969 antes 1,000
Delray612 antes 1,000
vegasbnd1 antes 1,000
Darby21 antes 1,000
bigsmurf222 antes 1,000
dogling antes 1,000
dogling posts the small blind of 5,000
JACKACE6969 posts the big blind of 10,000
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dogling [5d As]
Delray612 folds
vegasbnd1 raises to 41,000
Darby21 folds
bigsmurf222 calls 41,000
dogling...

[Proofrock]

Nope, it's still a fold.

[erc007]

[ QUOTE ]
FTP Daily double 12 left.

I'm thinking it's maybe a call only because it's gonna encourage the shorty in, which means it's gonna be a protected pot and such. Also the OR is pretty short, and the other guy gives some good implied odds.

I'd fold this usually, but it just got me thinking.

Full Tilt Poker Game #3387224379: Daily Double - B (25349198), Table 138 - 5000/10000 Ante 1000 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:57:38 ET - 2007/08/28
Seat 2: JACKACE6969 (32,276)
Seat 4: Delray612 (340,540)
Seat 5: vegasbnd1 (108,330)
Seat 6: Darby21 (131,001)
Seat 8: bigsmurf222 (432,992)
Seat 9: dogling (330,866)
JACKACE6969 antes 1,000
Delray612 antes 1,000
vegasbnd1 antes 1,000
Darby21 antes 1,000
bigsmurf222 antes 1,000
dogling antes 1,000
dogling posts the small blind of 5,000
JACKACE6969 posts the big blind of 10,000
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dogling [5d As]
Delray612 folds
vegasbnd1 raises to 41,000
Darby21 folds
bigsmurf222 calls 41,000
dogling...

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't see how you can consider calling here with a hand that will be dominated like everytime. What range do u give OR (who is opening for about 1/2 of a 10BB stack?) That seems kinda weird/strong...knowing that the BB is protected by his short stack? Even with BB AI, you're going to be able showdown your hand here cheap. I just don't see any value here at all.

[4CardStraight]

Calling here is FPS

4Card

[levAA]

what does FPS stand for?

frames per second
food per serving
first person samurai
four point surround ???

[cheburashka]

Fancy Play Syndrome

[4CardStraight]

Fancy Play Syndrome:

Usually characterized by making plays under the assumption that odd events will occur, that our opponents will over-read our hand and/or have multiple levels to their thinking that they usually will not. Often used to describe where Hero is making bad wagers under faulty assumptions. Playing big pot hands slow and small hands big is usually FPS. We get wrapped up in the multiple levels of poker and end up making bad wagers forgetting some of the simple tenents of betting good hands and keeping small pots with bad ones. Calling with trash thinking we can blow our opponents off hands, and excusing our sloppy play by arguing that we will out play our opponents post flop.

4Card

[levAA]

thx 4card - this term was new to me, while not the syndrom itself - i find myself sometimes exactly in these situations you descibed.