Good spot to go for a river checkraise to extract max value?

[SilentNoise]

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SuperHero (SB): $400.30
BB: $192.00
UTG: $219.05
CO: $259.10
BTN: $90.25

Reads: <font color="blue">readless</font>

Preflop: SuperHero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $4.00</font>, 2 folds, SuperHero calls $3.00, BB calls $2.00

Flop: ($12) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">SuperHero bets $12.00</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $12.00

Turn: ($36) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SuperHero bets $34.00</font>, UTG calls $34.00

River: ($104) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SuperHero bets all-in for $350.30</font>


That is how i actually played the hand but i was thinking:

1) is a unknown readless who has just come to the table really going to call a bet/bet/shove line with just a J here?

2) If i check, he may decide to make a thin value bet with KJ or something

3) if he has Ax,im sure even an unknown is value betting trips on the river, and probably wont fold to a shove

4) it gives him a chance to bet his busted flush/gutshot draws


thoughts?

[traz]

I don't mind a CR in this spot. Lets diamonds have a shot at bluffing, and AK/AQ will probably valuebet.

Not a fan of the huge overbet on the river.

[MindGamez]

he most likely has a weak hand, i like the shove. ive pulled this play off sometimes and seen some ridiculous calls. also, i dont think a FD bets here.

[Unknown Soldier]

i like your thinking, but i think betting &gt; checking here. i dont get fancy against unkowns, he'll likely bet trips here i guess, but he's more likely to call. Much more likely to call w/ a J then to bet it. The missed draws is an good reason to check, but you have shown alot of strength, villain might be a little gun shy after that.

[loosbastard]

Either one is probably fine. W/ a read I C/R this all day...but players are just so bad at this level and don't ever fold Ax here. Another vote for betting.

[SilentNoise]

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Not a fan of the huge overbet on the river.

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Why not?

i) its probably safe to assume that an unknown isn't going to shove over a small river bet with his busted flush draw

ii) if he has an ace hes probably going to call a shove anyway just coz he wants to get to showdown

iii) betting smaller allows him to JUST call with an ace fearing a bigger ace

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he most likely has a weak hand, i like the shove.

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if you thinkk he has a weak hand why would you like the shove since its less likely he'll call the shove with a weak hand.

[traz]

I think open shoving MIGHT fold out some hands that would have otherwise called/shoved.

[WSOP2007]

It's read dependand IMO, if the guy is likely to bluf with diamonds check it. Don't like the shove though, it screams fullhouse.

[Dire]

Perfect spot to check since most of the hands he's calling a river bet with will bet when checked to (and may feel obligated to call a shove on 'pot odds' even though its dead obvious they're beat), and then some more on top of that like busted FDs or good jacks.

[dragonystic]

i prefer a small river bet...one that might look like a blocking bet. if he has an ace he'll probably raise, and if he's weak, you're more likely to get looked up by betting small.

shoving looks super strong. readless, id say this move has less expected value than a smaller value bet.