50PL Nut flush draw + overs vs. maniac stop & shove on turn

[GiantBuddha]

PokerStars Pot-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) internettexasholdem.com

villain is 83/33/6 over 50 hands
<font color="#C00000">saw flop</font>

Button ($41.35)
<font color="#C00000">SB ($57.15)</font>
BB ($50)
<font color="#C00000">UTG ($70.90)</font>
UTG+1 ($62.50)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($109.95)</font>
MP2 ($21.70)
CO ($46.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $1.75</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $6</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB calls $5.75, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $4.25.

Flop: ($18.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $17.6</font>, SB folds, UTG calls $17.60.

Turn: ($53.70) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $47.3 (All-In)</font>

[TheRedRocket]

getting 2:1 with zero implied odds and 1 card to come = fold right?

also with 2 players and the nut FD, how about taking the free card on the flop? especially against a maniac who is still likely to pay off if you hit?

[CallMeJohn]

Yuck. He really could have anything, but i don't think there is any point drawing against this maniac. SO i think it is a fold.

Does anyone else think checking the flop is good? Normally i bet this flop to start building the pot, but we don't need to do this with a 90% VPIP spew monster in the hand. Just hit our flush and he will pay off.

However, i think that is hind sight talking. If it was me, i would have potted the flop as you did.

[AlexB182]

I don't mind the flop bet, in fact, I think playing big draws fast is a good thing.
On turn, I agree with RedRocket, this is normally a fold. Only exception perhaps: if you are pretty sure he's able to make such a move with a single TP, perhaps something like T9 for TP + gut shot, you could count your overs as outs, too, giving you 17 outs. You would only need 1.7 to 1 odds there, which you get. Still I wouldn't think that way even against such a maniac, chances are just too good he flopped a straight or made somethink like trip 8s on turn. So, a clear fold to me.

[CallMeJohn]

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also with 2 players and the nut FD, how about taking the free card on the flop? especially against a maniac who is still likely to pay off if you hit?

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We think alike. Except you post slighly faster.