? on Pockets - PF play

[Eric Yang]

Was just wondering - do you guys typically PFR with pockets below 99? Considering that I'll only flop a set like 11% or something and lose all the rest, I usually just call preflop. Sound or not?

[MrWookie]

1. What is your position?
2. What is the cast of characters?
3. Why do you assume you lose every single time you don't hit a set? Don't tell me you've never PFR'd with AK, whiffed the flop, but cbet and took it down anyway.

[bravos1]

depends... sometimes call, raise, or fold.

What position?
- The later the position, the more likely to open raise
What is the table like?
- The looser the table, the more likely I am to limp

If the the table is uber tight, folding small PPs in EP-MP is usually correct if no one has entered before you.

[bravos1]

LOL.. Wookie, I am in UR headz, reading UR thoughts!

[Eric Yang]

The thing is at the .05-.10 tables it tends to be fairly loose so 40-50% usually stay in to see the flop. I just don't see my chances as very high while while playing 3-4 more guys with a low pair, especially oop.

so,
1. we'll assume somewhere around MP just for sake of discussion
2. loose - many will call to see flop
3. lots of players playing

[bravos1]

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The thing is at the .05-.10 tables it tends to be fairly loose so 40-50% usually stay in to see the flop. I just don't see my chances as very high while while playing 3-4 more guys with a low pair, especially oop.

so,
1. we'll assume somewhere around MP just for sake of discussion
2. loose - many will call to see flop
3. lots of players playing

[/ QUOTE ]

At tables like this is is fine to limp in.. and no, I would not be raising say 55 in MP1 at a table like this.

and just because you don't set up doesn't mean you won't win.

you have 77 and the flop comes AAA or similar.. you probably have the best hand.

you have 66 and the flop is 457.. you should almost always be continuing with this hand

etc, etc, etc....

BTW, welcome to the forums.

[Christian_Peters]

Not.

A. Assuming that you lose when a pp doesn't flop a set is dumb.

B. The expectation of raising a pp before the flop depends soooo much on a number of factors that you have not mentioned or asked about: your position, how many players are in, how loose the game is PF, how loose the game is post-flop, etc. These factors change the nature of how pp's or to be played drastically. Against a single nit limper and no habitual cold-collers, I'll raise 22 LP to isolate and take it down on the flop. At a very tough table, I'll open fold 77 EP.

[Christian_Peters]

Under these conditions, my default is:

Raise TT+ for equity.

Call 22-99. If you don't suck, you can throw a raise in with 99 or even 88. In these conditions, almost never raise 22-77.

[Befolder]

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LOL.. Wookie, I am in UR headz, reading UR thoughts!

[/ QUOTE ]

You can't just post this sh*t, it deserves an lolcat. You know better.

[aK13]

All I know is raising 44 in the BB 8ways at 3/6 live games is wrong. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

EDIT: Even moreso when you turn on pattern mapperz and know you will flop a set.