($27) KK flops an overpair early

[taipan168]

Early, no real reads but CO seemed OK (ie. he didn't have a VPIP of 40%+ which is pretty common in the $27s on weekends).

What is your river line?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button (t560)
SB (t1315)
BB (t1720)
UTG (t1430)
UTG+1 (t1450)
Hero (t1560)
MP2 (t1930)
MP3 (t1585)
CO (t1950)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K, K.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t120</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls t120, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: (t285) T, 5, 4 <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t180</font>, CO calls t180.

Turn: (t645) T <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t350</font>, CO calls t350.

River: (t1345) 2 <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero ????

[Luisgallo]

I check/call the river:
There are 5 pairs that did not hit a set and he might bet them for value, he might bluff with a busted draw.

Bet more on the turn, he can't have a T otherwise he will be raising you on the flop.

If he has 44 or 55 that's fine.

[jively]

I might bet a little more on the flop to protect against the draws. OOP sucks, but I might check the turn to try to keep the pot small. As played, if you check and he pushes the river, you are in a tough decision. If he checks behind on the turn, you can value bet the river.

-Tom

[Little John]

bet a bit more on the flop, 210-230 looks better.

in this spot, if he has a ten, there is not a lot u can do. it is not like you are getting to a cheap showdown. plus a ten would raise the flop a lot of the time. so i just keep betting, but make it a bit more on the turn. i dont think villian is gonna put you on a ten (you opened for 120 plus two of them on board).

on the river, i fire again. i dont think villian will bluff a missed draw much and you can still get value out of 66-99 which makes up a good chunk of villians range.

[Luisgallo]

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bet a bit more on the flop, 210-230 looks better.

in this spot, if he has a ten, there is not a lot u can do. it is not like you are getting to a cheap showdown. plus a ten would raise the flop a lot of the time. so i just keep betting, but make it a bit more on the turn. i dont think villian is gonna put you on a ten (you opened for 120 plus two of them on board).

on the river, i fire again. i dont think villian will bluff a missed draw much and you can still get value out of 66-99 which makes up a good chunk of villians range.

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John I was thinking the same, but what are you going to do if he reraises you on the river?
What do you gain in value betting here which you would not gain simply check/calling?

[PokahPokah]

c/c river

[Takeover_inc]

i would bet more on the flop, check call the river.

[AMT]

the T isnt a very good card but i am too scared to miss out on a lot of river value in this spot with KK, so i bet again generally. Id also bet more on the flop.

[Little John]

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bet a bit more on the flop, 210-230 looks better.

in this spot, if he has a ten, there is not a lot u can do. it is not like you are getting to a cheap showdown. plus a ten would raise the flop a lot of the time. so i just keep betting, but make it a bit more on the turn. i dont think villian is gonna put you on a ten (you opened for 120 plus two of them on board).

on the river, i fire again. i dont think villian will bluff a missed draw much and you can still get value out of 66-99 which makes up a good chunk of villians range.

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John I was thinking the same, but what are you going to do if he reraises you on the river?
What do you gain in value betting here which you would not gain simply check/calling?

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if you bet more on the flop and bet more on the turn, by the time you get to the river you are just throwing in your last few hundred chips.

once the flop comes there is no way you are ever folding, so you might as well get 'em in so you get as many chips as possible the times you are ahead/win. a cheap showdown with a guy who hits trip tens or makes a set is not gonna happen after all the action.

[taipan168]

Thanks for the replies. I definitely should have bet more on the flop.