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Old 08-05-2007, 10:35 PM
tannenj tannenj is offline
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Default carnivalhobo does this!

guy is 22/18/infinity over a 50-hand sample. my image is 35/25/5 at this table or so but i've only been sitting for 30 or 40 hands.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$1/$2 Blinds
5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $206.50
BB: $321.00
Hero (UTG): $203.00
CO: $197.95
BTN: $85.70

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $7.00</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $25.00</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $18.00

Flop: ($52) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $36.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $72.00</font>
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Old 08-05-2007, 10:39 PM
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Default Re: carnivalhobo does this!

what's your reason for doing this/what do you expect him to do?

edit: serious question, not being a dick
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Old 08-05-2007, 10:43 PM
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Default Re: carnivalhobo does this!

I'd rather call than min-raise. Your line looks like a monster and villain doesn't seem to be retarded.
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Old 08-05-2007, 10:43 PM
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Default Re: carnivalhobo does this!

uhh i'm trying to get him to shove overcards/JJ/QQ?

also, doing this with monsters allows me to do this with bluffs.

edit: clearly calling and shoving are worthwhile alternatives. but what are the pluses and minuses of this line?
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Old 08-05-2007, 11:03 PM
Nick Royale Nick Royale is offline
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Default Re: carnivalhobo does this!

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uhh i'm trying to get him to shove overcards/JJ/QQ?

also, doing this with monsters allows me to do this with bluffs.

edit: clearly calling and shoving are worthwhile alternatives. but what are the pluses and minuses of this line?

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The pro is that stupid players will commit with worse hands than they would vs a bigger raise.

The cons are that the your hand looks pretty much like AA/KK/TT/99 and you're holding the bottom of that range. And if villain happens to hold QJ it doesn't protect your hand.

Doing this as a bluff goes against the original purpose of doing it with a monster, at least until villain knows you do this with monsters as well. When he knows that he won't be so eager to push OCs etc, probably resulting in your bluff getting called by Tx/JJ/QQ and you having to follow up with a push on the turn to get those hands to fold when you bluff. Problem being he'll probably start calling this min-raise with strong hands as well so now you don't know wtf to do on the turn.

All in all I think this play is nice vs overaggro donks, or other stupid players that can't resist calling this min-raise and end up feeling pot-committed on the turn. It's not a play I would try to incorporate vs better players while moving up in limits though.
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Old 08-05-2007, 11:05 PM
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Default Re: carnivalhobo does this!

I like raising slightly over minimum, but this is fine too.
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Old 08-05-2007, 11:06 PM
Oki-Oki Oki-Oki is offline
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Default Re: carnivalhobo does this!

I prefer a call and shove over a bet on the turn rather than minraise.

Its an OK line just not one im in love with
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Old 08-05-2007, 11:08 PM
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Default Re: carnivalhobo does this!

id just as soon call.
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Old 08-06-2007, 12:11 AM
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Default Re: carnivalhobo does this!

If he's aggro enough to shove overs here, isn't he aggro enough to fire another barrel on the turn?
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Old 08-06-2007, 12:22 AM
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Default Re: carnivalhobo does this!

Im with a5 - raising to something like $81 looks so much more bluffy.
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