So i hate folding, but i really wanted to here!

TwistedEcho · #1 08-02-2007, 07:05 PM

Do i HAVE to call with all the money in the pot, chance hes a moron blah blah blah, or is folding here fine? FWIW i have no reads, not using PT, and hes a total random. He did turbo check the flop, and didnt take too long thinking on river before raising.

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1550)
UTG+1 (t1440)
MP1 (t2540)
MP2 (t1470)
MP3 (t1270)
CO (t1920)
Button (t280)
Hero (t1570)
BB (t1460)

Preflop: Hero is in SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, Hero raises to t80, BB raises to t160, Hero calls t80

Flop: (t350) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

Turn: (t350) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets t80, Hero calls t80

River: (t510) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t280, BB raises to t600

Chipchucker5 · #2 08-02-2007, 07:13 PM

Buy-in? I probably can't find a fold against a random. He could show up with the same hand or even an overplayed AK.

TwistedEcho · #3 08-02-2007, 07:14 PM

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Buy-in? I probably can't find a fold against a random. He could show up with the same hand or even an overplayed AK.

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its either a 20 or a 30 regular, not sure. Playing regs has me on lifetilt though.

allhappythoughts · #4 08-02-2007, 07:16 PM

I don't think I could do it unless I had some kind of read. The one that actually should make sense would be QQ, but I think AK and other Ax's are all very possible here. I really don't know how he ends up with a 7 in his hand. All in all, I wouldn't have the discipline to fold I don't think.

TwistedEcho · #5 08-02-2007, 07:17 PM

Im not putting him on a 7, im putting him exactly on QQ or AA, with AA being his most likely holding the way it went

Luisgallo · #6 08-02-2007, 07:20 PM

Why did you check the flop and the turn?
He can play AK or KK like this here.
with 2 aces gone AA is very unlikely, you can only be afraid of QQ...
I instacall here or I possibly shove, folding isn't really an option, if villain has QQ next time you will bet flop and turn.

ymu · #7 08-02-2007, 07:23 PM

You can't check the flop and then fold the river.

I don't understand why you bet the river if you had any intention of folding. c/c makes a lot more sense.

Hercules · #8 08-02-2007, 07:28 PM

I would love to play regs that minraise AA pre and minbet...

Anyways, if u can narrow down his range so close, then a fold is good, but u prolly know that.
With only seeing the hand i was gonna answer shove, shove ,shove [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

allhappythoughts · #9 08-02-2007, 07:29 PM

Given that he's a reg give him QQ or AK and call. I like leading the flop as well--makes your decision down the line much simpler.

TwistedEcho · #10 08-02-2007, 07:32 PM

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Why did you check the flop and the turn?
He can play AK or KK like this here.
with 2 aces gone AA is very unlikely, you can only be afraid of QQ...
I instacall here or I possibly shove, folding isn't really an option, if villain has QQ next time you will bet flop and turn.

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He has the betting lead, why would i ever bet the flop.

Turn check because he probably has an underpair to the ace, but will now bet. Then i can get two streets of value.

I don't think hes calling a decent bet on turn/river, and if he checks behind on the turn i'll just pot/overbet the river and he calls with KK-TT

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I don't understand why you bet the river if you had any intention of folding. c/c makes a lot more sense.

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Because he calls a river bet with more hands than he bets (TT/JJ/KK/Ax might check behind). When he raises, his range is obviously different than it was when i bet