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Stars 100NL; OOP with TT in 4bet pot on under card board.
I really am not sure what is the best line here? Normally this would be an easy fold preflop or check/fold on the flop at least. However, based on my read I felt folding the flop was weak.
The villain here has been very active in late position. He is running at 33/24 in a little over 100 hands. I have been attacking his late position raises with three bets quite a bit over the last 30 hands or so. He folded a few time and folded to c-bets on the flop the other times. The BTN is a weak player who I would fully expected to fold and if not I was more than willing to felt my TT to him preflop or on a good flop. Ok, so I believe the villain here does not have to be too strong with his 4bet. Therefore I felt folding preflop was weak. What is the best line here? Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter) Hero (SB): $161.65 BB: $100.00 UTG: $158.00 CO: $220.20 BTN: $54.55 Preflop: Hero is dealt T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players) UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $4.00</font>, BTN calls $4.00, <font color="red">Hero raises to $12.00</font>, BB folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $36.00</font>, BTN folds, Hero calls $24.00 Flop: ($77) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $45.00</font>, Hero calls $45.00 Turn: ($167) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets all-in for $139.20</font>, Hero folds Pot Size: $306.20 ($2 Rake) |
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Re: Stars 100NL; OOP with TT in 4bet pot on under card board.
yeah i understand your logic with why you called preflop, but regardless of what the flop is, you are going to be in a tough spot because you are out of position. even with your read I probably fold preflop to avoid spots like this.
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#3
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Re: Stars 100NL; OOP with TT in 4bet pot on under card board.
Against some opponents this line is okay, against most it's spew.
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Re: Stars 100NL; OOP with TT in 4bet pot on under card board.
if this is his first fourbet then just give him credit and fold. I would only play back at his fourbets if he starts doing it often. in that case i probably c/rai on the flop. errr i didn't see you were deep. you have to fold preflop.
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Re: Stars 100NL; OOP with TT in 4bet pot on under card board.
i would 3bet to 16-20, 12 i way too weak. it looks like ur sweatening the pot with one of the worst hands u could have oop. when villan 4 bets i cant see anything u can beat at all. if i was gonna call the 4 bet it would be for set value cause u both are deep. After the flop in my oppinion the only hand u beat AK. So if u call the flop i def fold the turn if he bets again. I cant see villan not having u destroyed here. I think hes only gonna 4bet there with AA,KK,QQ maybe AK. possibly JJ but then ur still beat. i would 3bet to 16 then fold to a 4bet. But u seem to have a read on the hand that makes u think u might have him. Obv u know more about him than me and if u feel u could easily have him then go for it. I also would make my decision wheather to continue with the hand or not on the flop. i would either check raise all in or fold. i dont like calling off about 1 4th of my stack like this for information.
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Re: Stars 100NL; OOP with TT in 4bet pot on under card board.
I'll ignore preflop.
What were your intentions on the turn when you called his flop bet? I doubt the 7 helped his hand on the turn. |
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Re: Stars 100NL; OOP with TT in 4bet pot on under card board.
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I'll ignore preflop. What were your intentions on the turn when you called his flop bet? I doubt the 7 helped his hand on the turn. [/ QUOTE ] My thoughts were I would float his c-bet, and fold to a second shot unimproved. If the turn went check / check, I knew my hand was good. If a KQ or A came on the turn or river I would most likely give up my hand. A check/raise on the flop does not seem like a good idea, he calls with hands that have me crushed and folds everything else. I am really lost in this spot. I understand folding avoids spots like this, but against I guy that most likely reads your 3bet as a weak squeeze attempt folding to the 4 bet seems very weak. I was expecting a 4bet when I 3bet and therefore only 3bet to 12 in order to keep the pot as small as possible. If I fully expect a 4bet and will have to fold to a 4bet.... Do I flat call preflop???? That seems even worse, but why 3bet if you are going to fold to a 4bet you fully expect to see? If you call the 4bet, you can't simply check/fold when you don't hit a set or st8 draw? Basically, I am just really lost here. |
#8
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Re: Stars 100NL; OOP with TT in 4bet pot on under card board.
PF is meh but the flop is nasty. cant really call this as he will be putting the money in and there are too many scare cards to hit. So push/fold flop
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#9
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Re: Stars 100NL; OOP with TT in 4bet pot on under card board.
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PF is meh but the flop is nasty. cant really call this as he will be putting the money in and there are too many scare cards to hit. So push/fold flop [/ QUOTE ] Pushing seems really marginal. If he/she calls I am dead to two outs. If he folds I was ahead, he had at most 6 outs. Folding seems worse, why call preflop then. I feel like I was taking the lesser of evils on my decisions all the way up to the turn when I faced a bet I really saw no way I could call. I'm begining to think donk betting this flop is an option, but if I donk bet I feel I mine as well tell the guy I have TT or JJ. |
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Re: Stars 100NL; OOP with TT in 4bet pot on under card board.
you just burned a lot of money by turning into a cs. just fold pf. as is, if you thought you were ahead pf, you should be getting it in on the flop.
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