interesting situation against a tight passive player.

Speel Posher · #1 07-30-2007, 02:09 PM

I have been playing this guy for about an hour. pretty solid and tight. c bets most flops but gives up on turns. i know the call of the raise pre is out of line, but the guy gives up on later rounds, so if i dont hit or i dont think he hit i can take the pot from him.

Bodog History for Hand #832225450
Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007-07-30 12:41:37
Table 'Trogir (max 6)' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Clark112486 ($22.20)
Seat 2: hennybogan ($27.60)
Seat 3: madogwtf69 ($67.97)
Seat 4: tcpokher ($7.50)
Seat 5: crank665 ($42.30)
Seat 6: Cam5182 ($28.50)
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NEW HAND
Cam5182: posts the small blind $0.10
Clark112486: posts the big blind $0.25
--- DEALING POCKETS
madogwtf69 is dealt [As,Jd]
hennybogan: folds
madogwtf69: raises $0.75 to $1.00
tcpokher: folds
crank665: folds
Cam5182: raises $2.40 to $3.40
Clark112486: folds
madogwtf69: calls $2.40
--- DEALING FLOP [4d,Ad,4s]
Cam5182: bets $4.00
madogwtf69: calls $4.00
--- DEALING TURN [Qd]
Villain checks:
Hero???

Mike Kelley · #2 07-30-2007, 02:14 PM

Seriously man, if you are gonna take the time to write a paragraph describing the situation, take 10 seconds to use a hand converter. All you have to do is flip throught the other posts most of them put a link in that sends you directly to the hand converter...

You'll get more constructive criticism if you take the time to do this.

Speel Posher · #3 07-30-2007, 02:17 PM

is there a good bodog hand converter? new to posting hands and i hear it is hard to convert bodog hand histories. if you got one ill post it.

Ramana · #4 07-30-2007, 02:21 PM

He will bet AK QQ AA FD again. I think he has KK, maybe only JJ. There's no need to float, you have a good hand and him beat. I'd probably chk and let him bet river or bet myself when checked to.

+EV · #5 07-30-2007, 02:32 PM

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I have been playing this guy for about an hour. pretty solid and tight. c bets most flops but gives up on turns. i know the call of the raise pre is out of line, but the guy gives up on later rounds, so if i dont hit or i dont think he hit i can take the pot from him.

Bodog History for Hand #832225450
Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007-07-30 12:41:37
Table 'Trogir (max 6)' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Clark112486 ($22.20)
Seat 2: hennybogan ($27.60)
Seat 3: madogwtf69 ($67.97)
Seat 4: tcpokher ($7.50)
Seat 5: crank665 ($42.30)
Seat 6: Cam5182 ($28.50)
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NEW HAND
Cam5182: posts the small blind $0.10
Clark112486: posts the big blind $0.25
--- DEALING POCKETS
madogwtf69 is dealt [As,Jd]
hennybogan: folds
madogwtf69: raises $0.75 to $1.00
tcpokher: folds
crank665: folds
Cam5182: raises $2.40 to $3.40
Clark112486: folds
madogwtf69: calls $2.40
--- DEALING FLOP [4d,Ad,4s]
Cam5182: bets $4.00
madogwtf69: calls $4.00
--- DEALING TURN [Qd]
Villain checks:
Hero???

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If that is your read then I would do one of two things. Bet the turn expecting him to fold. If he raises you can get away.

If not check behind for pot control on the turn and call a bet/value bet the river.

I do hate the PF play. Maybe you should wait for a spot where you have position to be doing this kind of stuff? Your hand suffers a lot from reverse implied odds and I think you can pick a better spot.

+EV

Btw, for me the raw HH is fine.

+EV · #6 07-30-2007, 02:34 PM

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He will bet AK QQ AA FD again. I think he has KK, maybe only JJ. There's no need to float, you have a good hand and him beat. I'd probably chk and let him bet river or bet myself when checked to.

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Really, I am not so sure. But betting the turn will tell us one way or another whether hero is beat or not.

+EV

Speel Posher · #7 07-30-2007, 02:41 PM

i also have the second nut flush draw with the J diamonds if that affects anything.

thanks for the analysis. what if i get a call if i bet turn? do i just check river out of position or does my hand turn into a bluff(trying to rep the flush) Now looking at it i played this hand pretty terribly, probably should have waited for a better spot pre flop, but do we agree on a pot sized turn bet?

Ramana · #8 07-30-2007, 03:34 PM

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do we agree on a pot sized turn bet?

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no, because:

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He will bet AK QQ AA FD again. I think he has KK, maybe only JJ. There's no need to float, you have a good hand and him beat. I'd probably chk and let him bet river or bet myself when checked to.

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Really, I am not so sure. But betting the turn will tell us one way or another whether hero is beat or not.

+EV

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I don't think that we need info on whether we're beat here or not. This is not even WA/WB, if we're behind we can still improve sometimes. At this point, we pretty much will have to fire or call at least one bet. We will lose that bet a lot to hands that crush us, so I think we have to focus on how we can squeeze that little bet out of worse hands. And I believe that a chk is right, because sometimes villain will try a bluff and sometimes we will improve for free.

So imo the best line here is check behind and call river/bet if checked to.

OP please post the results.

Speel Posher · #9 07-30-2007, 05:30 PM

ok, because of what was stated above(thought he could be slowplaying a monster, had a draw to the second nut flush draw i checked, here is the river action:
river came 6 diamonds giving me second nut flush.

villain bets out 12.50

hero?

Ramana · #10 07-30-2007, 06:06 PM

Wow thats very marginal. Unless he raised with TT, there's no way that a Td is in his range. A Kd makes sense the way the hand was played. I don't know if it's weak, but I'd fold, simply because you wont see a worse flush often enough, if he bluffs... nh. But I don't think a player with villains mentality is more likely to bluff river, than to check turn with a FH simply because they panic.