I improve on the turn but.., $100 NL

djj6835 · #1 07-31-2007, 03:51 AM

How bad/standard is this? My pahud stats weren't displaying for him at the time but later they showed him at 17/13/2 over 300 hands. Not sure why they weren't displaying during this hand bc I may have played it differently if they had been.

Anyways...what do you do here against an unkown or a villain with the stats displayed? My main concern are 44 and 10 J diamonds.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $79.60
Hero: $257.50
CO: $34.80
Button: $77.45
SB: $129.95
BB: $92

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Hero raises to $3.5, 2 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($8, 2 players)
SB bets $5, Hero raises to $15, SB calls.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($38, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $25, SB raises to $62, Hero raises all-in $239, SB calls all-in $49.45.
Uncalled bets: $127.55 returned to Hero.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($260.9, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $260.9)

Results:
Final pot: $260.9

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S · #2 07-31-2007, 04:01 AM

well i think we can ignore stats as you played without them.

i think 44 generally 3bets the flop, in fact i actually think you are chopping this a lot of the time.

i guess our only possible option is to fold to the turn check raise which i dont think i can ever do against an unknown

also, i bet a bit more on the turn, in case he has a hand like Axdd

all up this seems fine and standard

gimmetheloot · #3 07-31-2007, 07:03 AM

i like to put him on JTdd or 44 and fold.

Sciolist · #4 07-31-2007, 07:49 AM

This is fine. There're hands you beat that would be playing here too.

docnuclear · #5 07-31-2007, 09:18 AM

could you please give a range for hands he beats that will play like that, and what part of his rang you think they are.

docnuclear · #6 07-31-2007, 09:22 AM

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How bad/standard is this? My pahud stats weren't displaying for him at the time but later they showed him at 17/13/2 over 300 hands. Not sure why they weren't displaying during this hand bc I may have played it differently if they had been.

Anyways...what do you do here against an unkown or a villain with the stats displayed? My main concern are 44 and 10 J diamonds.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $79.60
Hero: $257.50
CO: $34.80
Button: $77.45
SB: $129.95
BB: $92

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Hero raises to $3.5, 2 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($8, 2 players)
SB bets $5, Hero raises to $15, SB calls.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($38, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $25, SB raises to $62, Hero raises all-in $239, SB calls all-in $49.45.
Uncalled bets: $127.55 returned to Hero.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($260.9, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $260.9)

Results:
Final pot: $260.9

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Once he ch raises this turn, I think you're behind more than ahead. I don't ever fold top 2 here but I hardly ever win with it in this situation. I give him credit for a set or AK here, or TJdd.

Vavavoom · #7 07-31-2007, 09:27 AM

I check behind on turn here... Against a player that has been called pf / called a flop raise.. and check-raise the turn I can probably imagine I'm beat...

May be too weak but check behind on turn keeps the pot manageable !

RocktheCasbah · #8 07-31-2007, 09:27 AM

Although possible I wouldnt put villain on AK or JT here. I think more likely 44 or KQ.

Turn CR shows lotsa strength, but really hard to get away from AQ in this spot

mason55 · #9 07-31-2007, 10:55 AM

I put a couple combos of AA/KK/QQ in there just for when he plays them weird

Board: As 4d Kd Qh
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.080% 31.59% 09.49% 278 83.50 { AcQs }
Hand 1: 58.920% 49.43% 09.49% 435 83.50 { AcAd, AdAh, KcKd, KdKh, QcQd, 44, AcKc, AdKd, AhKh, AQs, KQs, JdTd, AcKd, AdKc, AdKh, AhKc, AhKd, AsKc, AsKd, AsKh, AQo, KQo }

Remove AA/KK/QQ (left 1/2 of the AKs in there though since people don't always 3bet at this level) and you have

Board: As 4d Kd Qh
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.391% 34.85% 10.54% 276 83.50 { AcQs }
Hand 1: 54.609% 44.07% 10.54% 349 83.50 { 44, AcKc, AdKd, AhKh, AQs, KQs, JdTd, AcKd, AdKc, AdKh, AhKc, AhKd, AsKc, AsKd, AsKh, AQo, KQo }

If you look at his stats and decide he's always 3betting AA/KK/QQ/AK (this is probably the most likely hand range):

Board: As 4d Kd Qh
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 57.062% 43.51% 13.56% 268 83.50 { AcQs }
Hand 1: 42.938% 29.38% 13.56% 181 83.50 { 44, AQs, KQs, JdTd, AQo, KQo }

so yeah, get it in.

edit: Left out A4s in all those ranges, if you ever think he has those (and i think he does sometimes) then your equity improves even more.

mason55 · #10 07-31-2007, 10:57 AM

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I check behind on turn here... Against a player that has been called pf / called a flop raise.. and check-raise the turn I can probably imagine I'm beat...

May be too weak but check behind on turn keeps the pot manageable !

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vava you can't check through this turn after a lead/call on a flush draw flop. that line is just a flush draw soooo often that checking behind the turn sucks here. i realize we didn't improve over anything except A4, but all we lose to here is 44, so i think checking behind is way too weak on this board, esp when he stacks off with KQ here like always