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Old 07-31-2007, 03:44 AM
AceofSpades AceofSpades is offline
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Default Two AK hands, both feel icky

HAND 1:

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $53.20
Hero (BB): $96.65
UTG: $208.25
MP: $96.00
CO: $41.60
BTN: $154.05

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP calls $1.00, CO folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $4.50</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $15.00</font>, MP folds, BTN calls $10.50

Flop: ($31.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $31.50</font>,

HAND 2:

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $103.60
BB: $58.60
UTG: $101.20
MP: $99.90
Hero (CO): $132.05
BTN: $148.30

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $4.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $13.50</font>, 3 folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $35.00</font>, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $21.50 returned to MP

Pot Size: $28.50

Advice please?
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Old 07-31-2007, 03:46 AM
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Default Re: Two AK hands, both feel icky

Hand 1, what do you put him on, and what do you expect him to do?

Hand 2, yeah it's fine with no history or reads.
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Old 07-31-2007, 03:50 AM
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Default Re: Two AK hands, both feel icky

Hand 1: that's what's icky, felt the pot was so bloated that I'd need to call an all-in. But I play tournaments a lot, so three betting AK = a shove instead
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Old 07-31-2007, 03:52 AM
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Default Re: Two AK hands, both feel icky

however if I don't three bet AK then doesn't shania go out the window?
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Old 07-31-2007, 03:52 AM
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Default Re: Two AK hands, both feel icky

you don't need to make such a large cbet in hand 1.
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Old 07-31-2007, 03:59 AM
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Default Re: Two AK hands, both feel icky

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however if I don't three bet AK then doesn't shania go out the window?

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The 3-bet is definately fine/standard. It's the c-bet I'm not a fan of. I've been checking flops like this a lot with a missed AK. If you want to think about shania here also, think about how it's usually pretty safe to check AA/KK on this flop, especially against an aggressive villain who could raise you off an overpair here. Basically, with AK in this spot, you're semi-bluffing into a range of hands that should really like this flop (sets and overpairs).
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Old 07-31-2007, 04:04 AM
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Default Re: Two AK hands, both feel icky

Dude cbet a lot smaller in hand 1. The pot is much larger compared to stack sizes than in a normal raised pot so you dont need to bet as much to get stacks in / have effective bluffs.
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Old 07-31-2007, 04:07 AM
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Default Re: Two AK hands, both feel icky

hand is a handbag of errors. if you wanna PM me i'll discuss it but they're errors a lot of tagfish make so i'd prefer not to discuss it publicly
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Old 07-31-2007, 04:21 AM
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hand is a handbag of errors. if you wanna PM me i'll discuss it but they're errors a lot of tagfish make so i'd prefer not to discuss it publicly

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pm the answers too, plz.
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Old 07-31-2007, 04:36 AM
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Default Re: Two AK hands, both feel icky

I'd like to hear these as well CAterp.
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