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Old 07-28-2007, 11:04 AM
YoureToast YoureToast is offline
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Default Nut draw vs. tough range

Villain is solid TAG (23/20) and 3-bets reasonable amount of time. This flop hits his range hard. I think my flop play is bad, but interested to see reactions on whether to call or push this flop. Also, how often should I be 4 betting preflop against this opponent.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($356.45)
BB ($392)
UTG ($342.75)
MP ($676.55)
CO ($640.15)
Hero ($400)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $4, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $20</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $60</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls $40.

Flop: ($126) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $60</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $172</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $332</font>, Hero calls $160.

Rest of hand irrelevant.
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Old 07-28-2007, 11:10 AM
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Default Re: Nut draw vs. tough range

flop is awful, now stick the rest of your money in.
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Old 07-28-2007, 11:44 AM
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Old 07-28-2007, 12:18 PM
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Default Re: Nut draw vs. tough range

wtf dont raise the flop
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Old 07-28-2007, 12:33 PM
Jamie217 Jamie217 is offline
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Default Re: Nut draw vs. tough range

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wtf dont raise the flop

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soo ugly rasing flop..but now ur committed even though yuor behind
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Old 07-28-2007, 08:01 PM
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Default Re: Nut draw vs. tough range

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wtf dont raise the flop

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soo ugly rasing flop..but now ur committed even though yuor behind

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I think I agree with you guys. My initial reaction after I played this hand was that I should have called the flop. I also felt that if I did raise, I should have pushed. My thinking at the time however was that the 3x raise may buy me a free showdown and a chance at a free river card for less than the cost of calling and calling the turn. Once he pushed, obviously I was pot committed.

Also curious re: preflop against a capable player, how often do you push, call or fold JJ (I almost never fold JJ unless villian is supertight in the blinds.
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