Post-Rebuy - Two hands

beenben · #1 02-25-2006, 03:25 AM

At the break of the $10 rebuy on stars I have 28k after add-on. I am in the top 30. I win a small pot and a medium sized pot when make the nut str8 and get up to 30.7k. Next hand, JJ in MP. I make the standard raise. AKo pushes all in and I call b/c I have him well - covered ; he has 8k. He hits an ace and I'm down to 22.7k. Now I'm still above average. I go up and down a bit with blinds, occassionally winning a hand or making a steal, but generally trending downward. Some of the losses come from folding to re-raises off of steal attempts - i'd say around 2, maybe 3 at the most. So I'm planning on making a move when i realy have cards.

I'm at 17k when this hand comes up. Villian has played mostly tight- showing down queens, making an occassional steal; however, he also been overly aggressive - he called a pre-flop all-in with J8o (he had the guy covered so he only lost 1/3 ofis chips). He went all-in with KJo pre-flop from the BB when the SB had flat called.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

saw flop|saw showdown

BB (t21930)
UTG (t41369)
UTG+1 (t6692)
MP1 (t21334)
MP2 (t32160)
MP3 (t25375)
CO (t21432)
Button (t27407)
Hero (t17370)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
5 folds, CO calls t800, Button calls t800, Hero raises to t3000, 1 fold, CO folds, Button calls t2200.

Flop: (t7200) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t7200

1) What do you think of the call on the AK vs. JJ hand?

2) What is my move on the hand where I've given the hand history?

mornelth · #2 02-25-2006, 08:48 AM

1) Call. Making a standard raise with JJ is not a steal, people will try to resteal from you if they think you steal too much - punish them, as well as show the table that you DO raise with good hands.

2) Tough spot. I would probably limp preflop - you've got a "crouching tiger, hidden dragon" if the flop is all low or has a T in it. Here - Button limped after CO limp, and flat-called your raise. My range for him would probably be KJ, KQ, 22-99, maybe AQ? I think the last one raises PF...

I would pause for a bit and then bet 1000. I think ridiculously small bet often looks to people like a value bet from a made monster, and costs you less than a half-pot bet. Pot-sized bet commits you to the pot - may as well push (but that would be bad, as only hands that beat you will call). With a 1000 bet you're not pot committing yourself and allowing a possible straight draw (KQ) to call. If he hits his T on the turn or river - he will double you up.

beenben · #3 02-25-2006, 08:55 AM

A T on the river also gives me a full house.

mornelth · #4 02-25-2006, 08:56 AM

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A T on the river also gives me a full house.

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That's why I said "he will double you up"... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

grafyx · #5 02-25-2006, 08:59 AM

1. I think this call is fine. You have the chips to gamble and people will make this move with smaller pairs in the 2nd hour all the time. I often see 99 in this spot.

2. Out of position with TT I would put in a bigger raise pf. Closer to 5k. Raising to 3k is giving limpers 2.4 to 1 to call. You'd rather QJs fold then correctly call.

Once this flop comes. I would lead out with my standard continuaton bet like I had the A. I would not lead out with a donk bet to 1000 or whatever against an overly aggressive opponent. This screams weakness and is inviting him to steal the pot. You may as well just check/fold.

Rickyroodido · #6 02-25-2006, 09:13 AM

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Once this flop comes. I would lead out with my standard continuaton bet like I had the A. I would not lead out with a donk bet to 1000 or whatever against an overly aggressive opponent. This screams weakness and is inviting him to steal the pot. You may as well just check/fold.

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Why is a small bet here a donk bet? I think its a thinking bet which is designed to represent a monster and if villian decides to raise it I think Hero should instacall to stop a bluff. If villian checks the turn we have him, or he might have the J... but I would take my chances.

grafyx · #7 02-25-2006, 09:25 AM

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Why is a small bet here a donk bet? I think its a thinking bet which is designed to represent a monster and if villian decides to raise it I think Hero should instacall to stop a bluff. If villian checks the turn we have him, or he might have the J... but I would take my chances.

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I never makes bets of this size and think its a waste of chips here. If I had AK, I would lead for 1/2-3/4 pot here so I would do the same with 1010. Is this thinking bet designed to induce a bluff or get villian to fold? Do you also bet 1000 here if you hold AK? Or are we representing aces full or quad jacks?

Rickyroodido · #8 02-25-2006, 09:48 AM

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I never makes bets of this size and think its a waste of chips here. If I had AK, I would lead for 1/2-3/4 pot here so I would do the same with 1010. Is this thinking bet designed to induce a bluff or get villian to fold? Do you also bet 1000 here if you hold AK? Or are we representing aces full or quad jacks?

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Aces full.

The problem with the standard CO bet was that we probably have to fold if villian raises. He would be a monkey to do so with nothing but that seems to be the case.
And in my experience its possible to convince a monkey that we have aces full but not one A

So a small bet would (and a instacall of a fair raise) would let us know if were ahead on the turn. If we are ahead villian will check and if we are behind he would bet.

With AK i wouldnt bet 1000 because then we would like villian to come over the top, because we can call.

"Is this thinking bet designed to induce a bluff or get villian to fold?"

Its designed to stop a bluff, and perhaps earn some value.

beenben · #9 02-25-2006, 04:11 PM

I bet $4k on the flop, he pushed. I folded.

Was that weak-tight?

Rickyroodido · #10 02-25-2006, 04:24 PM

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I bet $4k on the flop, he pushed. I folded.

Was that weak-tight?

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No. If you suspect that he would push as a bluff, you need some plan to try and stop it.
Not many players would do that against a preflop raiser who fires on an Ace-flop, but if you think he is that crazy... I like a little bet as discussed.