2/4 FTP K9o Tighty Makes This an Unusual Defense

ProfessorBen · #1 07-25-2007, 10:20 PM

Villain is 15/5/3.59. ATSB is 16.67

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
5 folds, Button raises, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero folds.

Anyone take a different line then the standard check raise with a villain so tight? Anyone folding preflop?

KitCloudkicker · #2 07-25-2007, 10:30 PM

is your flop CR a value bet or a bluff?

pf is kinda meh, but odds are good. its close.

ProfessorBen · #3 07-25-2007, 10:30 PM

Value, but I'm thinking it's very thin considering his range and the ones I'm ahead of PPs, smaller kings have so few outs that I might be better off letting him keep betting. Pot is small too so giving "free cards" isn't that much of a problem. I don't want to bias this topic too much but those are some initial thoughts.

KitCloudkicker · #4 07-25-2007, 10:59 PM

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Value, but I'm thinking it's very thin considering his range and the ones I'm ahead of PPs, smaller kings have so few outs that I might be better off letting him keep betting. Pot is small too so giving "free cards" isn't that much of a problem. I don't want to bias this topic too much but those are some initial thoughts.

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yeh i think my standard play here would be to c/c flop and c/f once that terrible turn card comes out.

ProfessorBen · #5 07-25-2007, 11:13 PM

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Value, but I'm thinking it's very thin considering his range and the ones I'm ahead of PPs, smaller kings have so few outs that I might be better off letting him keep betting. Pot is small too so giving "free cards" isn't that much of a problem. I don't want to bias this topic too much but those are some initial thoughts.

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yeh i think my standard play here would be to c/c flop and c/f once that terrible turn card comes out.

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See. I biased the topic. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

ncboiler · #6 07-25-2007, 11:21 PM

I don't like the flop raise here. I call and re-eval the turn. Turn is easy fold. FWIW I fold PF.

ncboiler · #7 07-25-2007, 11:23 PM

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Value, but I'm thinking it's very thin considering his range and the ones I'm ahead of PPs, smaller kings have so few outs that I might be better off letting him keep betting. Pot is small too so giving "free cards" isn't that much of a problem. I don't want to bias this topic too much but those are some initial thoughts.

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If you have sufficient sample size on villain I don't see a weaker K being part of his hand range.

Aces McGee · #8 07-25-2007, 11:53 PM

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I might be better off letting him keep betting

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Yep.

-McGee

BigBadBabar · #9 07-26-2007, 04:33 AM

i would c/c c/f

Oink · #10 07-26-2007, 07:50 AM

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Me to. Against a player this tight the flop c/r is a mistake. You are never folding better hands and there is little value in the raise.

I can never fold K9o preflop to a button raise. Against top 17% it should do fine and I would be inclined to think that I have a postflop edge against such a huge nit. (ATSB = 17%!! wtf?)