5/10 River decision, kinda deep.

[FooSH]

Villian is 21/15/3 and seems decent, not much history.

Seat 1: <font color="#000000">BTN</font> ($2393,90)
Seat 3: <font color="#000000">SB</font> ($707,51)
Seat 5: <font color="#000000">BB</font> ($1062,00)
Seat 6: <font color="#000000">UTG</font> ($1109,00)
Seat 8: <font color="#990000">Hero</font> ($2274,50)
Seat 10: <font color="#000000">CO</font> ($3134,00)

<font color="#000000">SB</font> posts small blind of $5,00
<font color="#000000">BB</font> posts big blind of $10,00

<font color="#990000">Hero</font> is dealt 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img],9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

<font color="#000000">UTG</font> folds
<font color="#990000">Hero</font> raises to $40,00
<font color="#000000">CO</font> calls $40,00
<font color="#000000">BTN</font> folds
<font color="#000000">SB</font> calls $35,00
<font color="#000000">BB</font> folds


Dealing flop A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img],8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img],4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Pot is: $130,00

<font color="#000000">SB</font> checks
<font color="#990000">Hero</font> bets $85,00
<font color="#000000">CO</font> calls $85,00
<font color="#000000">SB</font> folds


Dealing turn 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Pot is: $300,00

<font color="#990000">Hero</font> checks
<font color="#000000">CO</font> checks


Dealing river 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Pot is: $300,00

<font color="#990000">Hero</font> bets $200,00
<font color="#000000">CO</font> raises to $800,00
<font color="#990000">Hero</font>??

Doubt he just calls PF with many Ax hands, I put him on a float and was going for a CR on the turn.

Comments on all streets welcome, I often feel lost with 200BB+.

Call or push river?

[killphilNI]

Bet turn for value. As played, value shove the river.

[LuckyDice]

Shove. you practically have the nuts

[FooSH]

Well, he's not checking behind on the turn with a set or 2 pair, and he's not calling a shove with 2 pair or less.

If he was going to bluff, he would have done it on the turn. instead he checks behind, this makes me think he was floating with junk and picked up a draw.

[Trivial]

57s ftw? i think a river raise that large with A6 would be unusual, and that villain would surely bet 2pair+ on the turn this deep. a very bizarre spot to be sure, but with the liberty to look at this one off the table i think i like a flat call here since this is pretty much alwys air or the nuts

[pp262]

This deep using tricky lines can backfire. Valuebet the turn. As played I shove river. Your line looks like a TPTK type hand going for pot control so he is porbably raising all his two pair hands for value and may call a shove with them.

[LuckyDice]

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57s ftw? i think a river raise that large with A6 would be unusual, and that villain would surely bet 2pair+ on the turn this deep. a very bizarre spot to be sure, but with the liberty to look at this one off the table i think i like a flat call here since this is pretty much alwys air or the nuts

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If 57 was floating, wouldn't it bet the turn? It's not like it improved his hand any. On the other hand, T7 picked up a open-ender so I could conceivably see him check that on the turn. Regardless, i think that makes up a really small part of his range on the river and we see a lower set/two pair far more often.

[DerekJCEX]

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57s ftw? i think a river raise that large with A6 would be unusual, and that villain would surely bet 2pair+ on the turn this deep. a very bizarre spot to be sure, but with the liberty to look at this one off the table i think i like a flat call here since this is pretty much alwys air or the nuts

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If 57 was floating, wouldn't it bet the turn? It's not like it improved his hand any. On the other hand, T7 picked up a open-ender so I could conceivably see him check that on the turn. Regardless, i think that makes up a really small part of his range on the river and we see a lower set/two pair far more often.

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[recallme]

He could have 66, and ialways fire turn here, because i would fire any A here too.

[Trivial]

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57s ftw? i think a river raise that large with A6 would be unusual, and that villain would surely bet 2pair+ on the turn this deep. a very bizarre spot to be sure, but with the liberty to look at this one off the table i think i like a flat call here since this is pretty much alwys air or the nuts

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If 57 was floating, wouldn't it bet the turn? It's not like it improved his hand any. On the other hand, T7 picked up a open-ender so I could conceivably see him check that on the turn. Regardless, i think that makes up a really small part of his range on the river and we see a lower set/two pair far more often.

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So these lower sets/two pairs are checking the turn? A 21/15 guy is playing T7 preflop? Don't really think either of these events are occuring with any frequency. If A6 and 66 are plausible holdings and villain is likely to slowplay other big hands then yes a river shove becomes ideal, however I think flat calling the flop with a gutshot (and checking the turn) is pretty standard this deep. The float can then be delayed by betting the river if checked to whereupon any notion of the oop player exercising pot control with a big ace has gone out the window since they are almost certainly check/folding.