T9o Shove the flop?

Huggy · #1 07-23-2007, 06:22 PM

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SB ($206.15)
BB ($250)
UTG ($73.45)
MP ($74)
CO ($215.95)
Hero ($206.10)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $2, 2 folds, Hero raises to $10, 1 fold, BB calls $8, UTG calls $8.

Flop: ($31) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $22, BB calls $22, UTG raises to $63.45, Hero ????

What do you do? No reads, quite new at table, besides both are loose passive.

DonovanMD · #2 07-23-2007, 06:31 PM

Fold is also an option. I'd be tempted to make a re-raise here if I had a better read and my opponent minraised, but he made a sizable 3X raise and I'd put him on no less than tptk, maybe KJ if he's that loose. But whenever I make a move in spots like this I get shown top 2.

Huggy · #3 07-23-2007, 06:36 PM

Actually EDIT: UTG is very loose passive.

DonovanMD · #4 07-23-2007, 06:42 PM

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If he's loose passive its an even easier dump to a decent sized raise.

good_gamble · #5 07-23-2007, 06:46 PM

Meh we're getting like 3:1, I prolly shove to isolate UTG and flip

Orsman · #6 07-23-2007, 06:52 PM

I think that the best play here is to raise it up to ~110 to isolate utg who is allin, and cut down on the odds for BB. If you call here BB will get HUGE odds to call w/his draw (very likely, cause otherwise he would have c/r this draw heavy flop). A fold is not to bad though.

bilbo-san · #7 07-23-2007, 06:54 PM

Wow bad advice here.

We are way [censored] behind the range here. I hate betting this flop, and 3-betting now is [censored] suicide.

Seriously, a loose passive just check-raised 2 players. WTF?

Even against most draws we are a substantial dog.

good_gamble · #8 07-23-2007, 06:56 PM

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Wow bad advice here.

We are way [censored] behind the range here. I hate betting this flop, and 3-betting now is [censored] suicide.

Seriously, a loose passive just check-raised 2 players. WTF?

Even against most draws we are a substantial dog

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I agree with not betting the flop but as played, you would seriously consider folding getting > 3:1 against a shortie?

Huggy · #9 07-23-2007, 06:58 PM

VPIP:44 PFR:20 AGF 1.55

villian isnt really that loose passive. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]