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Old 07-22-2007, 02:52 AM
djj6835 djj6835 is offline
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Default TPTK facing river bet, $100 NL

Is this standard? I was planning on bet folding the turn, is that fine? Villain was a complete unknown, no stats.

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $128.20
CO: $115.10
Button: $71.10
SB: $75.10
BB: $221.40

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, CO folds, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($8.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $6</font>, Button calls.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($20.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $15</font>, Button calls.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($50.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $40</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $40 returned to Button.

Results:
Final pot: $50.5
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Old 07-22-2007, 02:56 AM
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Default Re: TPTK facing river bet, $100 NL

i push river, he'll stack off with a lower A alot. As played fine, calling is bad.
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Old 07-22-2007, 03:24 AM
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Default Re: TPTK facing river bet, $100 NL

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i push river, he'll stack off with a lower A alot. As played fine, calling is bad.

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Why is calling bad here? You'd push but wouldnt call? Is the value you'll get in a push and call from a weaker A that much larger than if he had a Q? Just a little confused.
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Old 07-22-2007, 03:27 AM
ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S is offline
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Default Re: TPTK facing river bet, $100 NL

i bet like $35 on the river

as played the fold is good
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Old 07-22-2007, 03:28 AM
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Default Re: TPTK facing river bet, $100 NL

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i push river, he'll stack off with a lower A alot. As played fine, calling is bad.

[/ QUOTE ] Why is calling bad here? You'd push but wouldnt call? Is the value you'll get in a push and call from a weaker A that much larger than if he had a Q? Just a little confused.

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If he wanted to play for stacks with his ace he probably puts in a raise somewhere before the river instead of just trying to get to a showdown. This is either a bluff or a queen or better.
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Old 07-22-2007, 03:29 AM
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pushing is very different to c/c

whats villains range here? a load of aces KQ/QJ/QT/Q9/wierd back door flush/77 i'd say. What calls a push? Most of that range. So you're ahead of his calling range.

Now what bets when you check the river? mostly the trips/back door flush/77. Rarely worse aces. You are behind his betting range. Hence c/c is bad, pushing is best, and c/f is 2nd.
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Old 07-22-2007, 03:31 AM
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Default Re: TPTK facing river bet, $100 NL

Yeah looking back betting the river was probably better. What about the plan to bet/fold the turn, is that fine?
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Old 07-22-2007, 03:34 AM
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Default Re: TPTK facing river bet, $100 NL

yeah b/f turn is good
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Old 07-22-2007, 03:37 AM
ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S is offline
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Default Re: TPTK facing river bet, $100 NL

US: you dont think he calls a worse ace a little more when we dont put him all the way in? i realise a push is roughly PSB but i think it just screams Qx....
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Old 07-22-2007, 03:44 AM
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Default Re: TPTK facing river bet, $100 NL

if he calls 50 70% of the time that he calls 35 it's the same bet

My opinion is that pushing is best because I think he'll call enough. You bring up a fair point. I'd like to hear other opinions.
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