600NL 150BB 3bet pot w/ QQ OOP vs TheCleaner11

ToTMidiaN · #1 07-21-2007, 09:03 PM

I had never played with this guy before this session, but do I know he's one of the better regulars to play at these stakes and I know he plays/played higher too.

Although I didn't have too many hands on him he was clearly 3betting very often, I saw him show down a squeeze with ATo vs a button opener where he checked on A high flop, then bet turn like 2/3 pot and river small like 1/3 pot after button caller checked behind on the flop to scoop a pot vs 2nd pair. I also saw him show down J8s vs a CO opener where a shortstack limped, a regular isoraised and he 3bet and was committed to calling the shortstacks limp reraise.

He had 3bet my open raises 4 times in 75~100 hands without showdown, only one hand went to the flop which was where I raised UTG+1 with JJ, he 3bet from the button, so I took a flop. I check called on a 887 flop, it checked through on a rag turn then i bet 2/3 pot on a 7 river and he instafolded. Apart from that hand I didn't see too much of his postflop play since he took a lot of hands down preflop or on the flop.

He was running at 26/21/4 at this point and I was running at around 28/27/5 across the tables with him at over about 150~ hands, but I haven't shown down any big bluffs or any wild calldowns. He may have seen me call down 2 barrels in a blind on blind 3bet pot OOP with AJ on A244 board (correctly) shortly before against another regular, but that's about all I've shown down in big pots on tables with him at.

This flop is almost exactly the same as the one in the JJ so I dunno if he gets the impression I'm capable of floating OOP on these boards or if he'll continue to give me respect for a hand. If I just call here the pot will be $920 and remaining effective stacks will be $476, do I just stick it all in, fold, call ? I didn't know what to think. Particularly interested in what people who have played with this villain have to say.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|saw showdown

SB ($1079.55)
BB ($320)
UTG ($651.05)
ToTMidiaN ($1137)
CO ($600)
Button ($933)

Preflop: ToTMidiaN is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, ToTMidiaN raises to $21, 1 fold, Button raises to $72, 2 folds, ToTMidiaN calls $51.

Flop: ($153) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
ToTMidiaN checks, Button bets $135, ToTMidiaN calls $135.

Turn: ($423) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
ToTMidiaN checks, Button bets $250, ToTMidiaN ?

Jamougha · #2 07-21-2007, 09:15 PM

I'm no reading that chunk of text unless you put in paragraphs but based on the action your hand is no good.

soah · #3 07-21-2007, 10:25 PM

This guy stacks off with hands a lot worse than QQ.

poker1O1 · #4 07-21-2007, 10:27 PM

150+ bets deep = fold.

cowpig · #5 07-21-2007, 10:29 PM

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150+ bets deep = fold.

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lol

Redgrape · #6 07-21-2007, 10:39 PM

He's Value worse here so i definetely don't fold

cowpig · #7 07-21-2007, 10:44 PM

I'd consider shoving the turn. TheCleaner goes broke with anything in RR pots (vs me at least).

schwza · #8 07-21-2007, 11:08 PM

ugh, tough spot. if you call here then you leave yourself with ~600 left in a 900 pot on the river. i guess you could c/c turn and c/f river but you're going to be getting pretty tempting odds. but c/c turn and c/c river doesn't look that hot because i think he's going to have the goods usually when he bets river.

so i guess i'd call here and then c/f river.

ToTMidiaN · #9 07-22-2007, 08:15 AM

well I thought for like 3 seconds was like "[censored] what do i do", so obv i shoved and he instafolded. i dunno if i get called by many worse hands by shoving the turn, AhKh, AhJh, 6h7h, Th9h for sure but i dunno about worse made hands, is he really stacking off with JJ here? at the same time i don't think folding is good cause i'm just getting run over if i fold, and i dunno if calling is good either cause i put myself in some [censored] river situations. meh.

dirtytricks · #10 07-22-2007, 08:37 AM

This is a very tough and marginal spot. Do you have any reraising range for him here? If you run like 28/27 and he has those stats on you, he is reraising really wide here.

Its a pretty bad card for him to 2nd barrel. If you decide to go with your hand I dont mind your reraise. If you think he is likely to fire 3barrels just call and call any river.

I think you have to make your decision for all your chips an the turn even if you jst call.