KK... 5 way action... 40 at the Borg

[tradingman123]

Sat afternoon game at the Borg. Typical mix of local pros and horrid tourist rich guys. MP raises, MP + 1 (seems solid/tight) 3 bets, HJ (Sang for those that play in that game) caps, I have 2 kings and call the cap. BB calls the cap as well, we take it 5 way to the flop of A/6/3, rainbow. Cked to me, what do I do now? What is plan for rest of hand?

[Hielko]

Check, and probably fold the turn unless you hit a set.

[Carmine]

I think betting allows us to get away from the hand should the flop action get heavy (more than 1 bet back to us) but the real benefit comes from seeing two streets for 1SB in a huge pot. Not to mention for all you know it could be a value bet. Note also that getting calls from every player (which should be expected as they have odds to hit their set) doesn't necessarily mean you're behind.

Another consideration is the most likely Ax hand to be involved in this pot for all but the EP players is AK. Your holding alone halves those combinations.

[Hielko]

- If you check now you see the turn for free.
- If you bet you have a high risk of getting check/raised by someone.
- If you get C/R you can't fold because you have 2 outs.

[Carmine]

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- If you check now you see the turn for free.
- If you bet you have a high risk of getting check/raised by someone.
- If you get C/R you can't fold because you have 2 outs.


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I addressed all those points already.

If you bet you are only going to be C/R by AK/AA. As was mentioned in my previous post those holdings are discounted between our hand/the board/the flop action thus far.

If you check AQ will bet the turn and you will never see the river.

If you bet AQ will call and you will see the turn/river for 1SB

If you bet and get C/R. Calling 1SB is not a disaster in this pot

[mongidig]

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I think betting allows us to get away from the hand should the flop action get heavy (more than 1 bet back to us) but the real benefit comes from seeing two streets for 1SB in a huge pot. Not to mention for all you know it could be a value bet. Note also that getting calls from every player (which should be expected as they have odds to hit their set) doesn't necessarily mean you're behind.

Another consideration is the most likely Ax hand to be involved in this pot for all but the EP players is AK. Your holding alone halves those combinations.

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I think there are a few problems with this strategy.

1) You bet, it gets raised, you call costing you 1 big bet
2) you bet, it gets raised and reraised, you fold possibly costing you the pot.
3) you bet, they just call but then the guy from EP who was going for the check-raise(hoping the guy to his left bet) changes his plan since you are on his right and decides to bet the turn.

I don't know these players, I will just assume they have reasonable raising standards. In this case, I would find it hard to believe that no one has an Ace although it is certainly possible. I would just check the flop and be happy for a free chance to spike a king. There will be situations where you hit the king and lose to AA and wish you would have bet the flop but I still like a check.

[AragornX151]

I don't get involved here. Check, and fold to bets. Not only does someone almost always have an ace, but it was capped pre-flop before it got to you; you could easily be against AAA, especially after it was checked to you (fish always check top set in these spots). You're not getting another buck out of me unless I spike a K on the turn for free, and I'm still not going 3-bets very often when that happens.

[goofball]

Bet. Maybe something good will happen.

[AragornX151]

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Bet. Maybe something good will happen.

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Like? I mean, the stars would have to be aligned in a pretty crazy fashion for everyone to fold here. This is a spot where I cut my losses barring some pretty wild reads.

[Maliant]

Get ready to fold.