The Official WTS 50 MICROSTAKES NL BLUFFS Thread

Wooden Ta Sheng · #1 07-04-2007, 12:36 AM

I've caught it from a bunch of posters on these forums who say that bluffing at $10NL and lower in useless, unnecessary, or doesn't work. Here are some comments from some of those people:

wildzer0: Honestly, bluffs just shouldn't be a big part of your arsenal at 5nl.

Quester: Seriously man, stick to the basics.....At these limits, setting up future plays (*bluffs)is unnecessary.

monkover: bluffs at 5nl are prob never a good idea.

robinmbuk: I destroyed 10NL, and I really ever bluffed (even semi bluffed), so I don't think theres any need to bluff @ 5NL.

Frosteater: setting up people and bluffing them can not work.

whyherro: FPS (fancy play syndrome)

Recently, monkover replied to me (sarcastically), could I teach him how to play [pokers]. Out of that exchange, I told him I would start a thread called The Official WTS 50 MICROSTAKES NL BLUFFS Thread, to show a plethora of hands in which I bluffed in and won so it wouldn't come off as one hand here or there that doesn't make sense (in the way I played it).

1.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (3 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($8)
BB ($8.29)
Hero ($8.23)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $0.15, 1 fold, BB calls $0.10.

Flop: ($0.32) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($0.32) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $0.15, Hero calls $0.15.

River: ($0.62) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.53, BB folds.

Final Pot: $1.15

2.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($14.22)
Hero ($7.63)
BB ($12.17)
UTG ($14.38)
MP ($11.43)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $0.25, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.23, 1 fold.

Flop: ($0.55) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.05, Hero raises to $0.48, UTG folds.

Final Pot: $1.08

3.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($13.32)
SB ($3.95)
BB ($6.89)
UTG ($10.95)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.2, 1 fold, BB calls $0.15.

Flop: ($0.42) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $0.05, Hero raises to $1.12, BB folds.

Final Pot: $1.59

4.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (3 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($12.43)
Button ($5.64)
SB ($5.91)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Button calls $0.05, SB completes, Hero raises to $0.25, Button folds, SB calls $0.20.

Flop: ($0.55) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $0.05, Hero raises to $0.78, SB folds.

Final Pot: $1.38

5.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($4.82)
Hero ($10.25)
Button ($7.63)
SB ($6.44)
BB ($12.43)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.25, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.20.

Flop: ($0.57) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.2, UTG folds.

Final Pot: $0.77

6.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($6.07)
SB ($6.03)
BB ($10.18)
UTG ($6.04)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero calls $0.05, SB raises to $0.15, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.10.

Flop: ($0.35) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $0.1, Hero calls $0.10.

Turn: ($0.55) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.42, SB folds.

Final Pot: $0.97

7.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($5.69)
Button ($0.73)
SB ($5.81)
BB ($10.50)
UTG ($5.64)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.2, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.15.

Flop: ($0.47) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $0.05, Hero raises to $0.49, UTG folds.

Final Pot: $1.01

8.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($9.53)
SB ($4.07)
BB ($13.54)
UTG ($5.22)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.15, 1 fold, BB calls $0.10.

Flop: ($0.32) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $0.05, Hero raises to $0.78, BB calls $0.73.

Turn: ($1.88) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.83, BB folds.

Final Pot: $3.71

Now, I actually had probably closer to 20 bluffs after I initially spout this idea to monkover but my computer crashed over the weekend after I had saved some great bluffs to post. Then when I got it back up, a virus hit it on Monday after I saved some other bluffs from that night's session and I've been out of commission up until now. I'll do periodic follow ups to post more. Unlike some of you, I don't get as much time to play poker because of my job so bear with me. Hopefully, my thread sheds some light on the fact that bluffing can work at $10NL and lower and work well.

jonyy6788 · #2 07-04-2007, 12:42 AM

is this for real?

a) continuation bets are NOT bluffs
b) don't limp the BTN first in to the pot plz

Wooden Ta Sheng · #3 07-04-2007, 12:46 AM

[ QUOTE ]
is this for real?

a) continuation bets are NOT bluffs
b) don't limp the BTN first in to the pot plz

[/ QUOTE ]

C-bets are bluffs when you have basically air, no matter if you have two big overs or 7 2o. Jonyy, let's not get nit picky. Don't fret, I'll have more to whet your ap.

jonyy6788 · #4 07-04-2007, 12:51 AM

all of those hands are STD except the K7 1st hand and then the one where u limp the BTN like a [censored]

hand 8 is spewy

EDIT: When we tell u not to bluff we aren't talking about c-bets.

Wooden Ta Sheng · #5 07-04-2007, 12:57 AM

[ QUOTE ]
all of those hands are STD except the K7 1st hand and then the one where u limp the BTN like a [censored]

hand 8 is spewy

EDIT: When we tell u not to bluff we aren't talking about c-bets.

[/ QUOTE ]

6 and 7 aren't standard, IMO. 8 is still a bluff.

ShipitFMA · #6 07-04-2007, 12:58 AM

OP, by any chance do you do coaching?

Im keen to get coached by a bold aggressive unlimited hold em player

wildzer0 · #7 07-04-2007, 01:01 AM

Damn I wanted to write a witty reply, but as usual Jony beat me to it.

So I'll respond fairly seriously,

1.We're not talking about cbets when we say don't bluff.

2. You can win at much higher stakes than 10nl never bluffing. IMO learning to bluff effectively is something to work on after your game is already extremely solid.

Vyse · #8 07-04-2007, 01:02 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Damn I wanted to write a witty reply, but as usual Jony beat me to it.

[/ QUOTE ]

I didn't notice any humor or "wittiness" in his reply.

wildzer0 · #9 07-04-2007, 01:02 AM

By the way, what does WTS stand for?

Vyse · #10 07-04-2007, 01:05 AM

Went to showdown I'd imagine.