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Old 07-04-2007, 05:20 PM
DawnToDusk DawnToDusk is offline
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Default (NL100) Standard or pretty weak?

Stats:
Hero 36/26/14 over 75
SB 26/9/1.25 over 70
CO 41/3/1 over 30

History:
The table started four handed and I was raising a ton on the CO and the button. I snapped off the SB pocket KK with 78o after he 3bet me on the button. I am sure he thinks I have a very wide raising range but he hasn't really played back since that hand. In fact it seems like I am able to pots off of him with CBets all the time now and pick up his limp calls.

CO is relatively unknown. I had played 20 hands with him previously but nothing special to note.

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $201.85
UTG+1: $32.85
CO: $38.50
Button: $191.90
SB: $191.45
BB: $57.32

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $4</font>, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($13, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $8</font>, CO calls, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $16</font>, Hero folds, CO folds.
Uncalled bets: $8 returned to SB.

Results:
Final pot: $37

Am I just playing this hand too weak or is this pretty standard? I don't think the SB min-raises here with a draw and anything weaker than two pair. In fact I don't think he has a draw here ever I feel like the only hand I am beating is 77 and 88. I probably would of peeled another one off if the CO wasn't sitting behind me.

What do you do in this spot if there is no CO involved in the hand?
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Old 07-04-2007, 09:37 PM
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Default Re: (NL100) Standard or pretty weak?

I guess its pretty standard then?
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Old 07-04-2007, 09:40 PM
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Default Re: (NL100) Standard or pretty weak?

nh
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Old 07-04-2007, 09:43 PM
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Default Re: (NL100) Standard or pretty weak?

This is good, no telling what CO has and you don't want to get squeezed in here with the worst or 2nd worst hand.
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Old 07-04-2007, 10:03 PM
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Default Re: (NL100) Standard or pretty weak?

wow, no fold
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Old 07-04-2007, 10:29 PM
DawnToDusk DawnToDusk is offline
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Default Re: (NL100) Standard or pretty weak?

Then what? I kind of had a hard time trying to figure what I beat that the SB has. The pot is getting pretty big too at this point. Plus the CO can squeeze which would be unpleasant.
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Old 07-04-2007, 11:12 PM
SunOfABeach SunOfABeach is offline
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Default Re: (NL100) Standard or pretty weak?

Folding is not an option.

If you fold to min raise that easily you'll have a headache in that session.

that min raise can easily mean
1)An attempt to make the pot bigger with a set, str8 etc for a big turn bet
2)a feeler raise with a 6, a 5, a 3(worst play ever)
3)a weird played open ended
4)An overpair better than 99(i guess that's not the case here)

First of all, you have the position against sb
You can either
1)Call and fold to a big turn or river bet(a little bit conservative)
2)make it 52, fold to a shove

if SB calls, check fold to a sizable bet on turn and river since the only thing that you can beat is a misplayed a 6, 77 and air
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Old 07-05-2007, 03:17 AM
DawnToDusk DawnToDusk is offline
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Default Re: (NL100) Standard or pretty weak?

Why isn't folding an option here. I think you came up with some ideas about the SB (which is good) but I think they aren't entirely well thought out.

The SB hasn't been playing back at me and has given me a lot of respect lately. My aggro is also super high right now. I have been betting and raising a ton. In my mind I don't think he makes this play with an OESD in the thoughts that he would do better to try to trap me and make a straight as opposed to him trying to win it (I guess as a semi-bluff) right there with the min raise. Not only that but I only see A4s and 44 in his range of hands that could have an OESD. He doesn't call with 34 in this spot.

I don't think he has an overpair to my nines either. I think if he did he would wait to trap me on the turn or would raise more here on the flop. I haven't seen him donk around with "feeler raises" either so I don't think hes doing that.

Not only that but you didn't take into consideration the CO.

I'm not saying folding was the best play but I haven't been convinced that there were other plays here that were better.
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Old 07-05-2007, 03:20 AM
The.Accountant The.Accountant is offline
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Default Re: (NL100) Standard or pretty weak?

I would call his minraise and puss out on the turn when he applies pressure with his A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
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Old 07-05-2007, 09:38 AM
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Default Re: (NL100) Standard or pretty weak?

i dont think folding is terrible but he could very easily make this play with tptk, or even a5 or oesd. again its very player dependent imo
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