Weird Red Rock ruling

[sonofstev]

OK, so me being a total donkey, I'm playing 4-8 LHE at the Red Rock tonight. I bet and am called all the way to the river with Ah-3h and 5h-6h-7d onboard. I misread my hand and thought I had a straight. "Straight," I say. My opponent throws his cards into the muck as I table mine. There's a pause for a moment. "There's no straight there!" another player says. The opponent's cards are already in the muck and he never showed, but the opponent pulls his own cards back and flips them over. He had K-6 for a pair of sixes. There's a big argument (that I stay out of), the floor is called, and this ruling is issued:

Unlike other Vegas casinos, at the Red Rock, if the dealer can retreive the cards from the muck and is certain that those cards belong to that player, then action can be rewound. The cards were sticking out toward that player in a group of two, so it's reasonable to assume that these were his cards. However - the dealer never saw that player's hand until after the cards had been mucked, retreived and flipped over. So my opponent was awarded a pot after mucking his cards face down, and was allowed to pull his own cards back to prove his point.

Bad ruling? And no, I wasn't angle shooting, just being an idiot. If the ruling had gone my way, I likely would have made a cash deal with the guy on the side for some or all of the $80 pot.

[soah]

he didn't need to retrieve his cards in order to be awarded the pot after you overcall your hand to make him muck

[Heavens_Myst]

nice angleshoot

[eastcoaster]

I did the same thing once, misread my hand (well I've done this more than once, but it is rare). I can't remember the exact board, but I think it was something like: 4s 6s 5h Qh 8c. I held K-6o or something. At showdown I said "straight," just before turning over my cards. Guy mucked immediately and I turned over...a pair of sixes. He had Q's but mucked them too soon. He was pretty upset, and rightfully so, thought I was angleshooting. Was only like a $10-$20 pot. Dealer pushed me the pot, and I racked it and shipped it to the guy and apologized which seemed to make him happy.

[steamboatin]

You miss call your hand at showdown for any reason, honest mistake, angleshoot, etc., it doesn't matter, opponent mucks his hand based upon your word, you lose, period end of sentance, end of discussion.

[4_2_it]

When are you going to post the weird part?

[Mr Rick]

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... Bad ruling? And no, I wasn't angle shooting, just being an idiot. If the ruling had gone my way, I likely would have made a cash deal with the guy on the side for some or all of the $80 pot.

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Good ruling. And you shouldn't even be thinking about a deal for "some of" the pot. As eastcoaster did, you should have just shipped him the pot if the ruling was different.

It is much more important for me to have my integrity intact than any one pot.

[feint06]

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You miss call your hand at showdown for any reason, honest mistake, angleshoot, etc., it doesn't matter, opponent mucks his hand based upon your word, you lose, period end of sentance, end of discussion.

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not the way it works at any of the 5 local card rooms I frequent. "hand speaks for itself" and "cards thrown face down in a forward motion are dead" are the pertinent rules here. I've never seen anyone shoot this angle intentionally, but it has happened on accident a few times. I've never seen the "winner" not give the pot back to the legitimate winner.


The biggest mistake many newbies make at the local rooms is to bring an entire stack of chips over the line, then try to drop off just a couple chips as their bet. Once a chip passes the line, it is in the pot making many people go all-in accidentally. Of course, there are angle shooters who *accidentally* bring their entire stack over the line making a preflop bet and just happen to have AA..

[jasonfish11]

I did something like that once. Except I knew I had a 4 card straight so when we went to showdown I said "4 card straight" and flipped my cards over. The guy says "beats my 2 pair" and mucks. The dealer pushes the pot to me and says "10 high wins it." The ruling went in my favor because everyone at the table heard me clearly say "4 card straight." I gave the guy $10 out of the $45 pot (he put in $10). Surprisingly he wasnt too pissed he said "well I guess I will listen better next time."

[d3gener4te]

weird