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Old 06-24-2007, 06:53 AM
VLV VLV is offline
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Default 10NL - Getting value when your stack size is around pot size

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

UTG ($11)
MP ($12.50)
Hero ($10)
SB ($21.60)
BB ($9.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $0.4</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.2</font>, SB calls $1.15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds.

Flop: ($2.90) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2</font>, SB calls $2.

Turn: ($6.90) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets how much?

I have $6.8 left but I really don't want to pot it because I reckon villain is going to fold to that. If I was deeper I would bet $5, but that commits me and it seems like there's not point doing so?

Should I just push anyway?
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Old 06-24-2007, 01:39 PM
Nick C Nick C is offline
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Default Re: 10NL - Getting value when your stack size is around pot size

One good reason simply to push here is that Villain could be on a draw (spades, T9, even KQ), and even though he might fold that draw to a push, you aren't getting any more money on the river from those hands if Villain misses. Betting 1/2 pot gets value from a draw but also gives reasonable odds, once we take implied odds into account.

Meanwhile, if Villain has an ace or better, one of you is going to lose $10 on the hand regardless (most likely him).

If he has a hand like a stubborn QJ, I'd imagine he'll give up now to any bet that isn't ridiculously small.

So I'm thinking you might as well go ahead and push. One slight advantage to betting 1/2 pot is that Villain might interpret that as weak and checkraise all-in with a worse hand, but, really, he should see that you're pretty much committed after that 1/2 pot bet and probably aren't folding, say, KK anyway.
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Old 06-24-2007, 08:52 PM
TheSalche TheSalche is offline
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Default Re: 10NL - Getting value when your stack size is around pot size

Odd spot here, I agree with Nick's assessment, and usually when theres a 3bet preflop the money goes in on the flop/turn if it does. I think this hand plays a little easier if you bet more on the flop, I really can't see him having something like KQ spades unless players at this level cold call 3bets OOP with that kind of hand.

It probably doesn't matter much what you do, I think it's worth betting $4 and putting the rest in on the river.
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Old 06-24-2007, 09:09 PM
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Default Re: 10NL - Getting value when your stack size is around pot size

"I have $6.8 left but I really don't want to pot it because I reckon villain is going to fold to that"

Go ahead and push, If weaker A calls fine
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Old 06-24-2007, 09:22 PM
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Default Re: 10NL - Getting value when your stack size is around pot size

if villian calls a 2/3 PSB def should call a push here so id just push
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