Should iconti bet in these hands?

[recallme]

I have no read on both vilains.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $184.10
UTG+1: $946.65
CO: $415
Button: $734.60
Hero: $641.40
BB: $644.70

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $14</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $50</font>, BB folds, Button calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($104, 2 players)

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Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $187.20
UTG+1: $503.50
CO: $1128
Button: $547.90
SB: $736.20
Hero: $400

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $18</font>, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $56</font>, UTG+1 folds, Button calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($118, 2 players)

Should i have folded these hands pre and how much should i cbet??

[Isura]

I wouldn't 3-bet in either hand. I check the first, bet the second.

[carnivalhobo]

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I wouldn't 3-bet in either hand. I check the first, bet the second.

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you play weird preflop, both seem standard

id probably check 1 and bet 2 as well though.

[d2themfi]

i wouldnt 3 bet the first hand, and I wouldnt cont bet either. 2nd hand i would 3 bet soometimes and definitely continuation bet

[wpr101]

I don't the hands you are three betting with unless the 3 bets in these cases were situational (i.e. loose open raising from villian).

The first hand I could see arguing two ways. He's going to call atleast one bet with any king and will probably raise if the has the Ah.

But, the hearts have to be just as scary to him as they are to us. So if he doesn't have any hearts or a king he pretty much cannot continue.

[d2themfi]

I think the main reason I dont think we should bet the flop in the first hand is because the stacks are pretty deep(150bb) which means he can probably float us in position a lot more than if the stacks were 100bb deep. The stack sizes are another reason I dont like 3 betting this preflop OOP

[wpr101]

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I think the main reason I dont think we should bet the flop in the first hand is because the stacks are pretty deep(150bb) which means he can probably float us in position a lot more than if the stacks were 100bb deep. The stack sizes are another reason I dont like 3 betting this preflop OOP

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I didn't notice stacks actually, villian does have to be pretty aggressive to float us on a monotone board though.

[recallme]

Why shouldn`twe raise first hand against an open raise from button? He could have anything here.

[wtf5]

Both 3bets are standard vs even 18/13 NITs. I would def cbet the 2nd hand unless the guy was a NIT then i might c/f.

1st hand is meh...

[Hoopster81]

1. I like calling and c/r a lot of flops more often than 3-betting.

2. Standard. C-bet for sure.