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Old 06-19-2007, 02:45 PM
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Default Folding two pair on the flop vs. a rock (Live 4/8)

Live 4/8 Hand at the Trop AC:

BB and I have both been playing for about 4 hours now. He's raised twice preflop and maybe played one or two hands past the flop. He looks similar to a player who I am remember from last summer that was a total rock. If I had to guess, VPIP in the 8-12 range with a PFR of 2-4. He's won one hand in this 4 hours. He's older and doesn't speak much.

I've been running bad (read: playing bad) and probably look like (read: actually am) a fish. Just a couple hands of a spew bet and a few more opponent's draws hit than usual. I'm down about 10 BB's for the 4 hours when this hand occurs.

Hero is MP3 with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

All fold to me, <font color="red"> Hero raises </font>, all fold to BB, <font color="red"> BB 3-bets </font>, Hero calls.

Flop (6 SB): A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

<font color="red"> BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets</font>, Hero folds.
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Old 06-19-2007, 03:06 PM
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Default Re: Folding two pair on the flop vs. a rock (Live 4/8)

I like it against this opponent. NH.
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Old 06-19-2007, 03:35 PM
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Default Re: Folding two pair on the flop vs. a rock (Live 4/8)

yup.. aganist this opponent.. i would fold.. nice fold!
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Old 06-19-2007, 04:01 PM
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Default Re: Folding two pair on the flop vs. a rock (Live 4/8)

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yup.. aganist this opponent.. i would fold.. nice fold!

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Is this the right spot to do it? We could also call and raise the turn. Or fold to the first bet (although I don't like that one).

Also some small chance we're tied with another AJ...should that factor into this at all?
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Old 06-19-2007, 04:18 PM
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Default Re: Folding two pair on the flop vs. a rock (Live 4/8)

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yup.. aganist this opponent.. i would fold.. nice fold!

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Is this the right spot to do it? We could also call and raise the turn. Or fold to the first bet (although I don't like that one).

Also some small chance we're tied with another AJ...should that factor into this at all?

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I raise WAY more hands than him and I'm sure my 3betting range is MUCH wider than his... I'm not 3betting AJ here much and I really don't think he is 3 banging AJ here.
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Old 06-19-2007, 04:20 PM
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Default Re: Folding two pair on the flop vs. a rock (Live 4/8)

Once he reraises the flop this is almost always top two pair or a set, maybe sometimes it's AJs. There's a chance he has AQ or QQ, but it's about a 3% chance.

I wouldn't auto-raise the flop (probably just calling down) although when you get 3-bet it's easy to fold.
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Old 06-19-2007, 04:32 PM
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Default Re: Folding two pair on the flop vs. a rock (Live 4/8)

I would probably call/call/call -- I dont like the results of going 2 on the flop but there's enough overlay to call down I think.
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Old 06-19-2007, 05:22 PM
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Default Re: Folding two pair on the flop vs. a rock (Live 4/8)

this hand is ewwww.

I wouldn't threebet the flop. call the raise. raise/folding seems bad for metagame.
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Old 06-19-2007, 05:25 PM
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Default Re: Folding two pair on the flop vs. a rock (Live 4/8)

lol nerdking
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Old 06-19-2007, 05:35 PM
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Default Re: Folding two pair on the flop vs. a rock (Live 4/8)

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this hand is ewwww.

I wouldn't threebet the flop. call the raise. raise/folding seems bad for metagame.

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Well, it is live, and I'm sure I'm not the only one that's noticed this guy is a rock. It's still a factor, but I'm not sure it's a big one.
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