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Old 06-18-2007, 03:48 AM
mrd99a mrd99a is offline
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Default 25NL: turn shove decision

Villain is 22/19/6 over 55 hands
Hero is 15/6/2

Is shoving the turn ok here? I think I have lots of fold equity and I have plenty of outs if I do get called.

I'm a weak-tighty trying to transform my game but finding that I still have lots to learn. Any help appreciated!

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($29.15)
Hero ($24.90)
BB Villain ($23.20)
UTG ($25)
MP ($51)
CO ($9.85)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero completes, Villain raises to $1</font>, Hero calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero checks</font>, Villain bets $1.75, <font color="#CC3333">Hero calls $1.75.</font>

Turn: ($5.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero ???</font>
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Old 06-18-2007, 04:07 AM
Gullanian Gullanian is offline
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Default Re: 25NL: turn shove decision

Shoving turn IMO would be a gross overbet with little value. You would be risking $22 to win $2.5 of your opponents money.

A pot size bet would probably have the same effect.
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Old 06-18-2007, 04:16 AM
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Default Re: 25NL: turn shove decision

Actually, I used to normally PSB on the turn but thought that if that gets called and the river is a blank, then I'd really have no choice but to give up the pot on the river.

By shoving now on the turn instead of betting pot, I think I give myself the best chance at the winning the pot.

Agree? Disagree?
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Old 06-18-2007, 04:29 AM
filsteal filsteal is offline
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Default Re: 25NL: turn shove decision

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By shoving now on the turn instead of betting pot, I think I give myself the best chance at the winning the pot.


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The goal of poker isn't to win the most pots. Shoving here wins the pot a little more than a PSB does, but it loses a ton more money when villain calls.
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Old 06-18-2007, 05:21 AM
Monty604 Monty604 is offline
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Default Re: 25NL: turn shove decision

he obviously hit the Ace or something so shoving here probably not a good play. IMO make a pot-sized semi-bluff bet and if called and you miss it will leave you with enough to make a credible River bluff but you have to know that your opponent will lay down his hand if he knows he's beat.
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Old 06-18-2007, 05:34 AM
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Default Re: 25NL: turn shove decision

Fold preflop. Raise the flop, you have a gutshot FD and your equity against a lone ace is pretty good.

As played, check call something decent but checkfold to a PSB, you have like 40% equity now. To those saying bet the turn I think you are over-estimating our FE here, he is never letting go of an Ace.
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Old 06-18-2007, 07:48 AM
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Default Re: 25NL: turn shove decision

I dont like risking our entire stack for the smallish pot out there right now. If you feel you have a ton of fold equity. use his aggression against him. I think a CRAI may be better. if he pots the turn, that puts $11 out there and you could push for about $15 more than his $5 bet.
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Old 06-18-2007, 08:09 AM
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Default Re: 25NL: turn shove decision

raise or fold it preflop
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