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Old 06-17-2007, 10:38 AM
sirklas sirklas is offline
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Default NL 50: KK vs. ??? - How to read the board - Bet river?

Hi guys,

villian was a 40/13/1.44 over 344 hands. It looked like he understood the basics of playing 6-max tables. Anyway he played far too much hands IMO.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (http://www.legopoker.com/hh)

SB: $51.85
BB: $50.75
UTG: $74.70
MP: $124.45
hero (CO): $128.80
BTN: $49.75

Preflop: hero is dealt Kh Kc (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP raises to $2.00, hero raises to $6.00, 3 folds, MP calls $4.00

Flop: ($12.75) 4h Qd 6d (2 Players)
MP checks, hero bets $8.00, MP calls $8.00

Turn: ($28.75) 5s (2 Players)
MP checks, hero bets $15.00, MP raises to $30.00, hero calls $15.00

River: ($88.75) 8c (2 Players)
MP bets $40.00, hero?

1) What about the min raise on turn? In what hand categories can I put him here? Is the call correct, or a push AI even better on that board?

2) What about the river bet? Easy call or easy fold? What hands might he have?

Ty for answers, sirklas
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Old 06-17-2007, 10:56 AM
ontiltsoon ontiltsoon is offline
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Default Re: NL 50: KK vs. ??? - How to read the board - Bet river?

***GRUNCH***
Given stack sizes I raise more Preflop.

I would probably check the Turn for Pot Size control and call a river bet.

I think that if you call the turn you have to call the river when the 8c falls.
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Old 06-17-2007, 11:02 AM
wildzer0 wildzer0 is offline
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Default Re: NL 50: KK vs. ??? - How to read the board - Bet river?

Unless I have a read that he checkraises the turn light, I usually fold the turn.
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Old 06-17-2007, 11:08 AM
wslee00 wslee00 is offline
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Default Re: NL 50: KK vs. ??? - How to read the board - Bet river?

check the turn definitely. as played fold turn.
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Old 06-17-2007, 12:43 PM
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Default Re: NL 50: KK vs. ??? - How to read the board - Bet river?

This turn is a fold according to the Baluga Theorem, right?
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Old 06-17-2007, 12:50 PM
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Default Re: NL 50: KK vs. ??? - How to read the board - Bet river?

follow the 4BB+1BB for every limper pf raise rule ($10 in this case)

checking the turn is terrible - bet closer to pot and fold to the c/r vs. this passive opponent
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Old 06-17-2007, 01:16 PM
sirklas sirklas is offline
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Default Re: NL 50: KK vs. ??? - How to read the board - Bet river?

@ Hoopster: This is NL 50, so one BB is 0,50 $. He was not a limper, he raised from UTG to 4 BB`s. I reraised him to 12 BB`s. Critize that preflop play? I mean, I can understand if you say I should have reraised him more....

But this situation has nothing to do with the 4 BB`s + 1 BB per limper rule IMO, right?

sirklas
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Old 06-17-2007, 01:31 PM
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Default Re: NL 50: KK vs. ??? - How to read the board - Bet river?

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@ Hoopster: This is NL 50, so one BB is 0,50 $. He was not a limper, he raised from UTG to 4 BB`s. I reraised him to 12 BB`s. Critize that preflop play? I mean, I can understand if you say I should have reraised him more....

But this situation has nothing to do with the 4 BB`s + 1 BB per limper rule IMO, right?

sirklas

[/ QUOTE ]

Sorry, totally missed it was 50NL and it was 3-bet PF

Looks good up until the turn. I probably check there a lot and call/valuebet rivers.
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Old 06-17-2007, 01:44 PM
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Default Re: NL 50: KK vs. ??? - How to read the board - Bet river?

Is this really a fold given how loose villain is? I mean if he was 20/13/1.44 I think it would be a fold, but here I'm not so sure.
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Old 06-17-2007, 01:54 PM
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Default Re: NL 50: KK vs. ??? - How to read the board - Bet river?

I'm in the camp of betting turn harder and folding to a raise. There are so many villians who will call you down with any Q.
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