10+1$ regular: Some Hands from 2night

DonLigretto · #1 06-12-2007, 05:34 PM

Hi

First one hand I don't find the history on. But blinds were at 30/60, my stack was about 1400, villain about 3000. I had JJ and raised to 180. He was behind me and went all in. And I folded, since 7 players were still left. According to him he had AK. Should I have called?

What do u think about these hands:
Hand 1 Fold correct at this stage?
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t30/t60
7 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: t3895
UTG+1: t2045
MP1: t1420
DonLigretto: t1320
Button: t1575
SB: t1985
BB: t1260

Pre-flop: (7 players) DonLigretto is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls t60 (pot was t90), UTG+1 folds, MP1 raises to t180, DonLigretto folds, 4 folds.
Uncalled bets: t120 returned to MP1.

Results:
Final pot: t210

Hand 2
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t50/t100
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: t3010
UTG+1: t3590
CO: t1310
DonLigretto: t1460
SB: t2085
BB: t2045

Pre-flop: (6 players) DonLigretto is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
3 folds, DonLigretto raises to t300, SB calls t250 (pot was t450), BB folds.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t700, 2 players)
SB bets t300, DonLigretto raises to t700, SB calls t400 (pot was t1700).

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t2100, 2 players)
SB bets t200, DonLigretto raises all-in t460, SB calls t260 (pot was t2760).

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t3020, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t3020)

Results:
Final pot: t3020
DonLigretto showed 9d Kd
SB showed 9s 9h

DerrtySlime · #2 06-12-2007, 05:52 PM

hand 1 : push.

hand 2: fold pre. I think either folding or pushing the flop is the only option. small raise or flat call has no merit. if you had more chips, say 2000 on the flop, then calling is the best play. still, preflop is v-bad.

flopton · #3 06-12-2007, 05:53 PM

First hand where you raised JJ) I probably would have called depending on the person, I see enough players moving in with a medium pair here, A-J etc. even if im sure he has AK I would take that coin flip. If I win a hand like that, 3xBB can steal more often as people don't want to come over the top without a really big hand.

1) This hand seems like a call, and then you can push without overcards, but maybe this is a leak in my game. I can't get away from overpairs on the flop at these tournaments without really knowing the player and sometimes over value "playing to hit a set".

2) This hand I probably would have folded pre flop. As played, on the flop I would probably push and think any 9, king, or diamond is an out, but hope to win right there.

flopton · #4 06-12-2007, 05:57 PM

How low of a PP would you be pushing on hand #1? I would push with QQ+ and AK for sure but 99-JJ is sometimes pretty tough to play pre flop for me.

DonLigretto · #5 06-12-2007, 06:00 PM

About Hand 2: Isn't it good enough for blind stealing? I mean sometime you have to loosen up and I thought this might be ok.
And when do you loosen up? And before that do u usually call just pf or do you also raise? Because if I raise AK and don't hit the flop, a continuation bet gets most of the time called or reraised and then I already commited almost 1/3 of my stack.

One last hand, because of this one I dropped out 4th of the last one.
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t80/t160
4 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: t2070
DonLigretto: t1920
SB: t3395
BB: t6115

Pre-flop: (4 players) DonLigretto is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, DonLigretto raises to t400, SB folds, BB calls t240 (pot was t640).

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t880, 2 players)
BB checks, DonLigretto checks.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t880, 2 players)
BB bets t160, DonLigretto raises to t1360, BB raises to t2720, DonLigretto calls all-in t160.
Uncalled bets: t1200 returned to BB.

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t3920, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t3920)

Results:
Final pot: t3920
BB showed 8d Qd
DonLigretto showed Kd Qh

flopton · #6 06-12-2007, 08:05 PM

I just don't like raising to steal with hands that are so easily dominated by the hands people usually call with (AK, KQ, KJ). If a king comes instead of the diamonds, you dont know if youre way behind or not. I actually raise to steal with some pretty wack hands if its really necessary, like 67 or 98 plays better against AK. Also I didn't realize it was a regular time tournament, I'm usually prepared to call an all-in reraise with whatever hand I raise at a turbo as there's not as much post-flop play.

At the turbos, waiting for decent hands will usually get called by people regardless and I don't take much risks stealing. I want to save my chips for the all-in with a good hand and being called by all kinds of randomness.

That second hand I'd be prepared to push pre flop if the other two seemed tight. As played, on the flop I'd be in for sure but again I don't know how the play is at the regular tables.