Flop combo

cbloom · #1 06-06-2007, 09:16 PM

No Limit Hold'em Ring Game (6 max) , 6 players
Blinds : $0.50/$1

Stacks:
UTG : $142.90
MP : $86.15
CO : $49.45
Button : $98.50 (Hero)
SB : $142.75
BB : $150

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG limps, MP limps, CO folds, Hero raises to $5.50, UTG folds, 2 folds, MP calls.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($13.50, 2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $10, MP raises to $30, Hero ???

Do you ever just check this behind?

Villain was like 50% preflop and seemed loose-passive, which is scary, but then he also spewed in the last hand and maybe is tilting now so I'm confused.

KLJ · #2 06-06-2007, 09:17 PM

against THESE guys i might limp it pf, depends on UTG. has he been raising many flops?

wrkingtobegreat · #3 06-06-2007, 09:21 PM

I think raising small pocket pairs like this in general is a bad idea preflop. Could someone explain the merit of it to me I'm confused...you wanna see flops cheaply with them to try to bust aa/kk who cant get away from their hand, but whats your ideal situation against a limper's huge range?
I'm just looking for an explanation....anyway I usually bet this flop and call the turn. Just like you played it.

cakewalk · #4 06-06-2007, 09:21 PM

i love checking behind.

not a lot of hands call us that we're ahead of. maybe like A6s? i can't think of much.

wrkingtobegreat · #5 06-06-2007, 09:22 PM

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i love checking behind.

not a lot of hands call us that we're ahead of. maybe like A6s? i can't think of much.

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We want hands to call us that we aren't ahead of....we have an open ended straight draw

cbloom · #6 06-06-2007, 09:22 PM

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has he been raising many flops?

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Nah, like I said he seemed loose-passive calling stationy from stats & the few hands I saw, but then the hand right before this he kinda went nuts, I'll see if I can find it...

No Limit Hold'em Ring Game (6 max) , 6 players
Blinds : $0.50/$1

Stacks:
UTG : $122.75
MP : $146.40
CO : $111.15
Button : $49.45
SB : $99 (Hero)
BB : $143.75

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG raises to $3.50, MP calls, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($12, 3 players)
UTG bets $6.50, MP folds, CO calls.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($25, 2 players)
UTG checks, CO bets $15, UTG calls.

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($55, 2 players)
UTG checks, CO checks.

Results: (final pot $55)
UTG wins $52.25 (+$27.25) with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (Two Pair)
CO shows 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (Two Pair)

He's CO here. Other than this I'd only seen him be pretty passive.

KLJ · #7 06-06-2007, 09:28 PM

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I think raising small pocket pairs like this in general is a bad idea preflop. Could someone explain the merit of it to me I'm confused...you wanna see flops cheaply with them to try to bust aa/kk who cant get away from their hand, but whats your ideal situation against a limper's huge range?
I'm just looking for an explanation....anyway I usually bet this flop and call the turn. Just like you played it.

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people don't have AA/KK every hand. by raising 66 you turn your hand into a bluff that's a monster 12% of the time, and air the rest. whether this is good against this opponent maybe that's good or bad.

cbloom: looks like standard loose passive poker IMO. i think spot is really really close. i push because he'll call with some worse hands TBH (like 56). after all, we still have what, 40% equity or something if our outs are good? (i dont know exactly)

cakewalk · #8 06-06-2007, 09:30 PM

pushing here cannot be good

cbloom · #9 06-06-2007, 09:34 PM

Ok, SSNL review time :

1. several limps and I'm on the button -
raise to take it down immediately preflop
raise to take it down with a cbet often
build the pot in case I do hit a set or something

2. bet on the flop -

to just take it down if he has overs, I don't want to guess at overcards on later streets

to charge worse hands like 56 or a naked 6

to avoid getting bluffed later, and to avoid paying off if he improves later

to build the pot if he does have a better hand and I hit my str8

But I could possibly see checking the flop here and then calling one bet unimproved.

LuckyDevil · #10 06-06-2007, 09:36 PM

I play everything the same.

On flop i call his raise and reevaluate on turn. This is going off the assumption that i get his stack if i make the straight. I don't think i'm ahead right now, and probably close to zero FE.