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Old 06-05-2007, 12:40 PM
modernmess modernmess is offline
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Default 50NL Overcards KK against flop action

What do you think in these situations? Both with KK.

SB is 19/16
Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $67.45
<font color="black">Hero (BB): $91.80</font>
UTG: $19.40
CO: $40.10
BTN: $55.00

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $1.50</font>, BTN calls $1.50, SB calls $1.25, <font color="red">Hero raises to $5.50</font>, CO folds, BTN calls $4.00, SB calls $4.00

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($18) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $14.00</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">SB raises all-in to $61.95</font>

how many of you call here/how many of you fold? i see this as a push from a flush draw with overcards, combodraw, maybe overpair but doubtful due to preflop play unless super trapping with AA, a set, or two pair.


UTG here is 18/10.
Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $26.25
BB: $109.70
UTG: $84.35
<font color="black">Hero (CO): $56.00</font>
BTN: $72.20

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $1.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4.50</font>, 3 folds, UTG calls $3.00

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($9.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $6.00</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $14.00</font>

what line do you generally take here?
and if it gets to the turn not all in and it is

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($37.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks

what action now?
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Old 06-05-2007, 12:49 PM
muddydog muddydog is offline
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Default Re: 50NL Overcards KK against flop action

I'd really be interested in seeing some replies to this I have problems with this kind of hand a lot.
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Old 06-05-2007, 12:56 PM
Maneh Maneh is offline
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Default Re: 50NL Overcards KK against flop action

Hand 1: I call this all day; He probally has some type of draw;

Hand 2: I preffer check behind for pot cotrol and call a bet on river; If he checks river again, i bet for value;
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Old 06-05-2007, 01:15 PM
KEW KEW is offline
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Default Re: 50NL Overcards KK against flop action

Hand#1

I like a much larger PF raise to about $7.50..OOP and with 3 villains already in the pot a raise to only $5.50 is offering to good of implied odds to any callers...

Call the flop shove...This will be a smaller overpair or a FD often enough to +EV...

Hand#2

BET the turn and fold to a C/R..You do not want to give a frre card here...There are too many scare cards that either kill your hand or your action...
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Old 06-05-2007, 01:20 PM
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Default Re: 50NL Overcards KK against flop action

I'm happy to get it all in on both flops
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Old 06-05-2007, 06:27 PM
modernmess modernmess is offline
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Default Re: 50NL Overcards KK against flop action

so how much can i bet the turn for and still feel ok about folding to a c/r?
if i have around 38 left, and the pot is 37.75 a 1/2 pot bet that gets c/r will leave me with nearly 5:1 odds to call with an overpair. granted i guess you can say that im drawing to 2 outs at this point, but i don't think that's a lock. i've c/r pushed turns with top pair nut flush draw before.
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Old 06-05-2007, 06:38 PM
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Default Re: 50NL Overcards KK against flop action

Not just me then, past 3 weeks every villain has showed trips when I get in on these ...
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Old 06-05-2007, 06:42 PM
marvin_1935 marvin_1935 is offline
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Default Re: 50NL Overcards KK against flop action

*grunch*

hand 1: you should be stacking a lower overpair here most of the time.

hand 2: please pot this flop. as played i can find a fold you're only really ahead of AQ.
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